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> I feel like a system should be usable immediately with little effort if it is to be enjoyed and properly useful. More open source should think like this. I’

by jorvi 4y ago

> I feel like a system should be usable immediately with little effort if it is to be enjoyed and properly useful. More open source should think like this. I’ve been aggressively trying to get OpenWRT to ship the images with WiFi on by default. At this point 99.99% of people are not leaving their network unsecured, and if for some reason you have to reset the router it becomes a plastic brick unless you have an Ethernet cable and an USB-to-ethernet adapter nearby. Even suggestions of either creating a landing page that forces the user to set up security before allowing internet connectivity, or basing the WiFi password on the serial number (that is also on the back of any router) falls on deaf ears.

tiffanyh 4y ago
> At this point 99.99% of people are not leaving their network unsecured… 99.99% of people are doing what? Sorry, the double negative above is confusing me.
- CompuHacker 4y ago
  I think they are suggesting that years of abuse hurled at the average user, coupled with legislation, have caused all new home networks to be secure, one way or the other.
  - rascul 4y ago
    There is regulation for that? I would be interested in finding out more.
naasking 4y ago
> I’ve been aggressively trying to get OpenWRT to ship the images with WiFi on by default With what password? Plenty of people won't configure things they don't have to and that's a huge security hole. I don't see the utility in this change frankly.
- detaro 4y ago
  The comment you reply to both explains the utility and proposes ways of mitigating the "huge security hole".
  - naasking 4y ago
    So two clicks to turn on wifi that I can do from anywhere in my house is easier than digging my router out of my closet to write down and type in the serial number? This was supposed to be an idea that makes OpenWRT "usable immediately with little effort". This is not that.
    - detaro 4y ago
      I didn't see the part where they suggested to disable configuration over wired ethernet, or this was the only thing suggested. And yes, a lot of the time when people are setting up a router they have the router at hand.
      - naasking 4y ago
        > I didn't see the part where they suggested to disable configuration over wired ethernet In case I wasn't clear, configuring it over wired Ethernet is exactly what I'm suggesting. This is a far more usable and secure default than default than wireless on with the password as some universal default or using the serial number.
      - wolrah 4y ago
        > And yes, a lot of the time when people are setting up a router they have the router at hand. While I have no doubt that this is true for home-grade firewall/NAT/wifi combo boxes in general, with very few exceptions OpenWRT is not a thing you get out of the box nor a thing "normal people" install. The Venn diagram of "people who have chosen to install an alternate firmware on their home network appliance" and "people who don't have an ethernet capable device around at basically all times" can't have a lot of overlap.

by jorvi 4y ago

tiffanyh 4y ago

> At this point 99.99% of people are not leaving their network unsecured… 99.99% of people are doing what? Sorry, the double negative above is confusing me.

CompuHacker 4y ago
I think they are suggesting that years of abuse hurled at the average user, coupled with legislation, have caused all new home networks to be secure, one way or the other.
- rascul 4y ago
  There is regulation for that? I would be interested in finding out more.

naasking 4y ago

> I’ve been aggressively trying to get OpenWRT to ship the images with WiFi on by default With what password? Plenty of people won't configure things they don't have to and that's a huge security hole. I don't see the utility in this change frankly.

detaro 4y ago
The comment you reply to both explains the utility and proposes ways of mitigating the "huge security hole".
- naasking 4y ago
  So two clicks to turn on wifi that I can do from anywhere in my house is easier than digging my router out of my closet to write down and type in the serial number? This was supposed to be an idea that makes OpenWRT "usable immediately with little effort". This is not that.
  - detaro 4y ago
    I didn't see the part where they suggested to disable configuration over wired ethernet, or this was the only thing suggested. And yes, a lot of the time when people are setting up a router they have the router at hand.
    - naasking 4y ago
      > I didn't see the part where they suggested to disable configuration over wired ethernet In case I wasn't clear, configuring it over wired Ethernet is exactly what I'm suggesting. This is a far more usable and secure default than default than wireless on with the password as some universal default or using the serial number.
    - wolrah 4y ago
      > And yes, a lot of the time when people are setting up a router they have the router at hand. While I have no doubt that this is true for home-grade firewall/NAT/wifi combo boxes in general, with very few exceptions OpenWRT is not a thing you get out of the box nor a thing "normal people" install. The Venn diagram of "people who have chosen to install an alternate firmware on their home network appliance" and "people who don't have an ethernet capable device around at basically all times" can't have a lot of overlap.