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I feel like this is overcomplicating it. Openness to experience sounds pretty straightforward to me. Openness to Experience means... being willing to experience

by cozos 4y ago

I feel like this is overcomplicating it. Openness to experience sounds pretty straightforward to me. Openness to Experience means... being willing to experience new things. Trying new hobbies, learning new skills, yes, but also going to parties and doing drugs that all the chads and stacys are doing. Assuming that the latter two things are somewhat new experiences - but somebody whos not as open would probably not have done those things in the first place. I reject that you need go to Escher exhibitions while listening to Mozart to be "open to experiences".

mantas 4y ago
Well, refusing to go to Escher exhibition or give Mozart a shot is sort of being close-minded…
- brailsafe 4y ago
  Unless the cost is ridiculously high and the apparent value tenous, much like the parents', but sometimes you gotta go
  - mantas 4y ago
    Just like other types of „experiences“. A nice orchestra concert in a good hall does not cost an arm and a leg. Reasonable tickets to opera are about the same as top-tier rock show. Value of those experiences is always subjective. Just like rock'n'roll style partying. And, just like with any experience, you don't need to go high-end if you want a good bang for a buck. I would even argue that usually best memories and experiences come from lower end. Most memorable classic music show I visited was a play in a tiny Bavarian village in a 19th-century SPA, ticket was €5 IIRC. Music was fitting, sound was good (but I'm used to shitty rock shows so...), performers did a good job (for my dumb self) and overall it was a great accent on the whole trip. I don't like the „you gotta go“ notion though. Ultimately humans have limited resources, both time and money and it comes down to priorities. Skipping a section or two of experiences does not make one less „open minded“. But calling out people for skipping a section or two does make one not „open minded“ for sure.
    - brailsafe 4y ago
      I think your experiences sound pretty rad tbh. I've been to a few small shows of varying genres including metal, funk, acoustic folk stuff, comedy, and many many symphonies, pretty much as often as I can. Almost always worth it. Though our interests align, I have a hard time agreeing with your last statement. If you're intentionally closing off categories of experiences, then it depends on why you're skipping those specific experiences whether or not it's close-minded. If you're unwilling to determine what those are actually like, (excluding more serious things like distancing yourself from drug or alcohol culture) then yes I'd say that's somewhat close-minded. If you're just allocating your resources towards the things you definitely like, then that's just a matter of some level of risk avoidance. You might not have known those small shows in Bavaria would be any good, but they turned out to be, and the same could be true or not true of anything you've just avoided. I'm not much of a party guy, it varies from season to season and night to night. But sometimes I gotta go, and it's usually but not always worth it, much like the symphonies.
      - mantas 4y ago
        I agree putting resources towards known things you like is quite narrowing your experiences. Well, defining „things you like“ as few top choices. But given next-to-infinite opportunities these days, it's easy to have rather wide range of experiences and don't have much resources left for even more opportunities. That brings one more issue, depth vs width. Given how many options we have, it's not possible to go for both depth and width at the same time. In many cases going into depth open up many experiences that you can't access floating on the surface. For example, I'm deep into outdoors endurance sports, cycling/hiking/etc. I did limit width a lot by not trying yoga or scuba diving or motorcycling. However, going into depth with outdoors endurance stuff opened up another layer of experiences like overnight skiing trip in -20c or doing solo 24h mtb race. On one hand, skiing is skiing and cycling is cycling and there's not much novelty beyond 10km. On the other hand, built up stamina, skills and technical knowledge allows to expand into 3rd experiences' dimension. As for the „gotta go“, that may depend on a person a lot. I'm not a people guy and I need a lot of solo time to recharge. I did skip many social events in exchange of a silent night of Civ or coding. I know it would have been great experiences. But I doubt I'd be able to enjoy them. Social time tolerance is one more limiting resource I guess...

by cozos 4y ago

mantas 4y ago

Well, refusing to go to Escher exhibition or give Mozart a shot is sort of being close-minded…

brailsafe 4y ago
Unless the cost is ridiculously high and the apparent value tenous, much like the parents', but sometimes you gotta go
- mantas 4y ago
  Just like other types of „experiences“. A nice orchestra concert in a good hall does not cost an arm and a leg. Reasonable tickets to opera are about the same as top-tier rock show. Value of those experiences is always subjective. Just like rock'n'roll style partying. And, just like with any experience, you don't need to go high-end if you want a good bang for a buck. I would even argue that usually best memories and experiences come from lower end. Most memorable classic music show I visited was a play in a tiny Bavarian village in a 19th-century SPA, ticket was €5 IIRC. Music was fitting, sound was good (but I'm used to shitty rock shows so...), performers did a good job (for my dumb self) and overall it was a great accent on the whole trip. I don't like the „you gotta go“ notion though. Ultimately humans have limited resources, both time and money and it comes down to priorities. Skipping a section or two of experiences does not make one less „open minded“. But calling out people for skipping a section or two does make one not „open minded“ for sure.
  - brailsafe 4y ago
    I think your experiences sound pretty rad tbh. I've been to a few small shows of varying genres including metal, funk, acoustic folk stuff, comedy, and many many symphonies, pretty much as often as I can. Almost always worth it. Though our interests align, I have a hard time agreeing with your last statement. If you're intentionally closing off categories of experiences, then it depends on why you're skipping those specific experiences whether or not it's close-minded. If you're unwilling to determine what those are actually like, (excluding more serious things like distancing yourself from drug or alcohol culture) then yes I'd say that's somewhat close-minded. If you're just allocating your resources towards the things you definitely like, then that's just a matter of some level of risk avoidance. You might not have known those small shows in Bavaria would be any good, but they turned out to be, and the same could be true or not true of anything you've just avoided. I'm not much of a party guy, it varies from season to season and night to night. But sometimes I gotta go, and it's usually but not always worth it, much like the symphonies.
    - mantas 4y ago
      I agree putting resources towards known things you like is quite narrowing your experiences. Well, defining „things you like“ as few top choices. But given next-to-infinite opportunities these days, it's easy to have rather wide range of experiences and don't have much resources left for even more opportunities. That brings one more issue, depth vs width. Given how many options we have, it's not possible to go for both depth and width at the same time. In many cases going into depth open up many experiences that you can't access floating on the surface. For example, I'm deep into outdoors endurance sports, cycling/hiking/etc. I did limit width a lot by not trying yoga or scuba diving or motorcycling. However, going into depth with outdoors endurance stuff opened up another layer of experiences like overnight skiing trip in -20c or doing solo 24h mtb race. On one hand, skiing is skiing and cycling is cycling and there's not much novelty beyond 10km. On the other hand, built up stamina, skills and technical knowledge allows to expand into 3rd experiences' dimension. As for the „gotta go“, that may depend on a person a lot. I'm not a people guy and I need a lot of solo time to recharge. I did skip many social events in exchange of a silent night of Civ or coding. I know it would have been great experiences. But I doubt I'd be able to enjoy them. Social time tolerance is one more limiting resource I guess...