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Pro-tip: being a "toxic toss-pot" should not be a reason for getting fired. People should not be fired for any non-criminal behavior outside of their workplace,

Pro-tip: being a "toxic toss-pot" should not be a reason for getting fired. People should not be fired for any non-criminal behavior outside of their workplace, even if it's racist. Employers who fire people over non-criminal supposedly "racist" behavior should be sued and made to pay big bucks.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
Being a toxic toss-pot should very much be a reason to be fired. Toxic people are notoriously destructive to the work environment, almost always in a greater degree to what they add -- even if they are top performers. Removing them can result in a more productive/creative team who can now thrive in their absence.
- trention 4y ago
  Are they more destructive than woke activists? I very much doubt that. Your employer has no business judging you for how you (non-criminally) behave outside your working time. Firing over any such non-criminal behavior should be punishable severely.
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
    I agree they shouldn't if its outside working time, but they can and should fire you for being an asshat at work. Also, sounds like you think all 'woke activists' everywhere are always destructive. Which is an interesting take. At what point does someone cross the line to become an inherently destructive 'woke' person?
    - trention 4y ago
      When they do one or more of the following: a) call/protest for firing people for said outside-of-work activities b) protest/lobby for legislation changes restricting freedom of speech in any way c) protest/lobby for any sort of affirmative action policies d) protest/lobby against enforcing criminal laws because they disproportionally affect minorities (when said disproportionate effect is a result of minorities committing said crimes at higher rates)
      - Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
        I have question, because some of these would result in 'woke activists' on the right as well as the left. > protest/lobby for legislation changes restricting freedom of speech in any way There are conservative politicians, florida in particular, that have passed legislation banning CRT and gender studies. Is this not a restriction of free speech? Toby Price was fired for reading a popular children's book to children. Was this not a form of censorship? > protest/lobby for any sort of affirmative action policies Does this mean that that discrimination based on race/gender be allowed or not allowed? Should bakers in an open market be permitted to say no to gay wedding cakes? Should banks be able to say no to non-white loan applicants? > protest/lobby against enforcing criminal laws because they disproportionally affect minorities (when said disproportionate effect is a result of minorities committing said crimes at higher rates) Does uneven enforcement count as a factor? White suburban teens smoke pot (in states where its still illegal) at rates the same as non-white urban teens, but enforcement is highly disprortionate. So what's the solution to that?
        trention 4y ago
        CRT and gender studies should not be part of the high school curriculum in public schools and should not receive any sort of government funding in universities because at best they are pseudoscience. Private institutions not receiving government funding should teach whatever they like, including white nationalism. Discrimination based on race should either be allowed in all circumstances or disallowed in all circumstances. Affirmative action is discrimination based on race so it's hypocritical to have this as government policy while explicitly prohibiting discrimination against minorities. Uneven enforcement calls for punishing those not enforced against, not letting guilty minorities walk. Any further attempts of sealioning will be ignored.
        Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
        so "restricting freedom of speech in any way" really means it can be restricted in some cases. This was your definition, not mine. Again interesting that you consider discrimination based on race in all cases as an acceptable position equal to no discrimination based on race. The unequal enforcement bit would mean that white neighborhoods should be given the same level of enforcement as minority ones. Is that really what you want? Where literally everyone is treated by the police exactly how they treat minorities?
scaramanga 4y ago
Then you have an extreme far-left position, way to the left of the labour movement. But let me guess, only in the case of fascists?
- trention 4y ago
  Reading comprehension lacking again. As I stated clearly in a comment above, I support banning employers from firing anyone over anything non-criminal they are doing during off-hours. Also, I don't know exactly how far this is from the "opinion" of the so-called "labor movement" given that something closer to this than to anglosphere practice is the reality in most of continental Europe currently.

Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago

Being a toxic toss-pot should very much be a reason to be fired. Toxic people are notoriously destructive to the work environment, almost always in a greater degree to what they add -- even if they are top performers. Removing them can result in a more productive/creative team who can now thrive in their absence.

trention 4y ago
Are they more destructive than woke activists? I very much doubt that. Your employer has no business judging you for how you (non-criminally) behave outside your working time. Firing over any such non-criminal behavior should be punishable severely.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
  I agree they shouldn't if its outside working time, but they can and should fire you for being an asshat at work. Also, sounds like you think all 'woke activists' everywhere are always destructive. Which is an interesting take. At what point does someone cross the line to become an inherently destructive 'woke' person?
  - trention 4y ago
    When they do one or more of the following: a) call/protest for firing people for said outside-of-work activities b) protest/lobby for legislation changes restricting freedom of speech in any way c) protest/lobby for any sort of affirmative action policies d) protest/lobby against enforcing criminal laws because they disproportionally affect minorities (when said disproportionate effect is a result of minorities committing said crimes at higher rates)
    - Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
      I have question, because some of these would result in 'woke activists' on the right as well as the left. > protest/lobby for legislation changes restricting freedom of speech in any way There are conservative politicians, florida in particular, that have passed legislation banning CRT and gender studies. Is this not a restriction of free speech? Toby Price was fired for reading a popular children's book to children. Was this not a form of censorship? > protest/lobby for any sort of affirmative action policies Does this mean that that discrimination based on race/gender be allowed or not allowed? Should bakers in an open market be permitted to say no to gay wedding cakes? Should banks be able to say no to non-white loan applicants? > protest/lobby against enforcing criminal laws because they disproportionally affect minorities (when said disproportionate effect is a result of minorities committing said crimes at higher rates) Does uneven enforcement count as a factor? White suburban teens smoke pot (in states where its still illegal) at rates the same as non-white urban teens, but enforcement is highly disprortionate. So what's the solution to that?
      - trention 4y ago
        CRT and gender studies should not be part of the high school curriculum in public schools and should not receive any sort of government funding in universities because at best they are pseudoscience. Private institutions not receiving government funding should teach whatever they like, including white nationalism. Discrimination based on race should either be allowed in all circumstances or disallowed in all circumstances. Affirmative action is discrimination based on race so it's hypocritical to have this as government policy while explicitly prohibiting discrimination against minorities. Uneven enforcement calls for punishing those not enforced against, not letting guilty minorities walk. Any further attempts of sealioning will be ignored.
        Eddy_Viscosity2 4y ago
        so "restricting freedom of speech in any way" really means it can be restricted in some cases. This was your definition, not mine. Again interesting that you consider discrimination based on race in all cases as an acceptable position equal to no discrimination based on race. The unequal enforcement bit would mean that white neighborhoods should be given the same level of enforcement as minority ones. Is that really what you want? Where literally everyone is treated by the police exactly how they treat minorities?

scaramanga 4y ago

Then you have an extreme far-left position, way to the left of the labour movement. But let me guess, only in the case of fascists?

trention 4y ago
Reading comprehension lacking again. As I stated clearly in a comment above, I support banning employers from firing anyone over anything non-criminal they are doing during off-hours. Also, I don't know exactly how far this is from the "opinion" of the so-called "labor movement" given that something closer to this than to anglosphere practice is the reality in most of continental Europe currently.