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I was not using the word "professionally" that way, it's a different definition that is not contingent on getting paid. “The skill, good judgment, and polite b

I was not using the word "professionally" that way, it's a different definition that is not contingent on getting paid. “The skill, good judgment, and polite behavior that is expected from a person who is trained to do a job well” Merriam-Webster

Dalewyn 4y ago
Good job not actually quoting the definition (you even spelled Merriam-Webster wrong). https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional ("professionally" also redirects to the above URL.) --------------------------------- professional adjective pro· fes· sion· al | \ prə-ˈfesh-nəl , -ˈfe-shə-nᵊl \ Definition of professional (Entry 1 of 2) 1a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b: engaged in one of the learned professions c(1): characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace 2a: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs a professional golfer b: having a particular profession as a permanent career a professional soldier c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return professional football 3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession a professional patriot professional noun Definition of professional (Entry 2 of 2) : one that is professional especially : one that engages in a pursuit or activity professionally --------------------------------- The phrase you are looking for is perhaps "act like a gentleman", among many other ways to describe behaviour that is mature and reasonable, but in any case RMS is not a professional and thusly none of us can demand he act professionally.
- mgraczyk 4y ago
  No, I'm using definition (2) from the ones you listed.
  - Dalewyn 4y ago
    Definition 2 specifies "in the workplace". "workplace" is defined as "a place (such as a shop or factory) where work is done"[1]. "work" in the context of "workplace" is defined[2] as follows under definition 1: --------------------- 1a: to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary works in publishing b: to perform or carry through a task requiring sustained effort or continuous repeated operations worked all day over a hot stove c: to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity --------------------- Definition 1a is a direct reference to monetary payment for work rendered. Definition 1b describes the act of working itself. Definition 1c loosely refers to some sort of goal or need, which may or may not include money, as a motivator for working. So in a very, very liberal context you can pedantically use "professional" in a non-monetary sense, but there are much more accurate ways to describe what you want to convey such that you wouldn't need to be liberal with your choice of words. RMS isn't a professional, so he can't be demanded to act professionally. [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/workplace https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/workplace [2]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work
    - mgraczyk 4y ago
      An email thread discussing work that will be done on GCC is "the workplace" in this sense. If we took a vote I'd guess at least 90% of English speaking adults would agree with me. The way I used the words "behave professionally" is very common in American English. You could use this phrase to describe a student, a volunteer, or even a dog at a dog show.
      - Dalewyn 4y ago
        I'm very much aware "professional" is used as slang to mean someone who generally conducts themselves like an eloquent businessman. However, slang is slang. Officially, the definition of a professional is whether you make money for work rendered. The slang usage of "professional" is incorrect. The slang usage might get added to the dictionary and become correct some day, language evolves, but as far as I'm aware today is not yet that day.
- sbuk 4y ago
  That is but one definition and it's American-English, not English. The more complete definition from the OED says: A. adj. †I. Senses relating to a profession or vow. 1. Relating to or marking the occasion of entrance into a religious order. Cf. profession-ring n. at profession n. Compounds. Obsolete. rare. 2. Of or relating to a profession or declaration; that is avowedly (but sometimes falsely) the thing specified; professed. Obsolete. II. Senses relating to or derived from (the conduct of) a profession or occupation. 3. a. Of a person or persons: that engages in a specified occupation or activity for money or as a means of earning a living, rather than as a pastime. Contrasted with amateur. Sometimes applied disparagingly to a person who makes a trade or profession of something usually associated with higher motives. b. Of an event, activity, occupation, etc. (now esp. a sport): undertaken or engaged in for money; engaged in by professionals (as distinct from non-professionals or amateurs). c. In humorous or derogatory use. Of a person: habitually making a feature of a particular activity or attribute, esp. one that is generally regarded with disfavour; inveterate. 4. Of, belonging to, or proper to a profession. a. Relating to, connected with, or befitting a (particular) profession or calling; preliminary or necessary to the practice of a profession. professional examination. b. Engaged in a profession, esp. one requiring special skill or training; belonging to the professional classes. c. Characteristic of or suitable for a professional person; (now esp. of equipment) of a type used by professionals. d. That has or displays the skill, knowledge, experience, standards, or expertise of a professional; competent, efficient. 5. That has knowledge of the theoretical or scientific parts of a trade or occupation, as distinct from its practical or mechanical aspects; that raises a trade to a learned profession. Now rare except as merged with senses at A. 4. 6. Physiology. Designating or relating to a cell which is specialized for the ingestion of particles by phagocytosis, such as a macrophage or neutrophil (as distinct from a cell capable of occasional phagocytosis). III. Senses related to the office of professor. 7. = professorial adj.Now rare. B. n. 1. a. A person who engages in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a paid occupation. Frequently opposed to amateur. b. Chiefly colloquial. A prostitute. 2. A person engaged in a profession, esp. one requiring special skill or training; a professional person, or a member of the professional classes. 3. Scottish University slang. Short for ‘professional examination’ 4. A person who does something with a high level of competence, commitment, or expertise. ----- So the use in this case can be construed to be entirely correct, c.f. Sense II §4 and Sense III §2 and §4
raverbashing 4y ago
Thanks for adding that definition, and it is sad that it is needed. (though those who already act professionally already knew it ;) while other people will grasp at straws and try to find technicalities to justify their bad attitude )

Dalewyn 4y ago

Good job not actually quoting the definition (you even spelled Merriam-Webster wrong). https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/professional ("professionally" also redirects to the above URL.) --------------------------------- professional adjective pro· fes· sion· al | \ prə-ˈfesh-nəl , -ˈfe-shə-nᵊl \ Definition of professional (Entry 1 of 2) 1a: of, relating to, or characteristic of a profession b: engaged in one of the learned professions c(1): characterized by or conforming to the technical or ethical standards of a profession (2): exhibiting a courteous, conscientious, and generally businesslike manner in the workplace 2a: participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs a professional golfer b: having a particular profession as a permanent career a professional soldier c: engaged in by persons receiving financial return professional football 3: following a line of conduct as though it were a profession a professional patriot professional noun Definition of professional (Entry 2 of 2) : one that is professional especially : one that engages in a pursuit or activity professionally --------------------------------- The phrase you are looking for is perhaps "act like a gentleman", among many other ways to describe behaviour that is mature and reasonable, but in any case RMS is not a professional and thusly none of us can demand he act professionally.

mgraczyk 4y ago
No, I'm using definition (2) from the ones you listed.
- Dalewyn 4y ago
  Definition 2 specifies "in the workplace". "workplace" is defined as "a place (such as a shop or factory) where work is done"[1]. "work" in the context of "workplace" is defined[2] as follows under definition 1: --------------------- 1a: to perform work or fulfill duties regularly for wages or salary works in publishing b: to perform or carry through a task requiring sustained effort or continuous repeated operations worked all day over a hot stove c: to exert oneself physically or mentally especially in sustained effort for a purpose or under compulsion or necessity --------------------- Definition 1a is a direct reference to monetary payment for work rendered. Definition 1b describes the act of working itself. Definition 1c loosely refers to some sort of goal or need, which may or may not include money, as a motivator for working. So in a very, very liberal context you can pedantically use "professional" in a non-monetary sense, but there are much more accurate ways to describe what you want to convey such that you wouldn't need to be liberal with your choice of words. RMS isn't a professional, so he can't be demanded to act professionally. [1]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/workplace https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/workplace [2]: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/work
  - mgraczyk 4y ago
    An email thread discussing work that will be done on GCC is "the workplace" in this sense. If we took a vote I'd guess at least 90% of English speaking adults would agree with me. The way I used the words "behave professionally" is very common in American English. You could use this phrase to describe a student, a volunteer, or even a dog at a dog show.
    - Dalewyn 4y ago
      I'm very much aware "professional" is used as slang to mean someone who generally conducts themselves like an eloquent businessman. However, slang is slang. Officially, the definition of a professional is whether you make money for work rendered. The slang usage of "professional" is incorrect. The slang usage might get added to the dictionary and become correct some day, language evolves, but as far as I'm aware today is not yet that day.
sbuk 4y ago
That is but one definition and it's American-English, not English. The more complete definition from the OED says: A. adj. †I. Senses relating to a profession or vow. 1. Relating to or marking the occasion of entrance into a religious order. Cf. profession-ring n. at profession n. Compounds. Obsolete. rare. 2. Of or relating to a profession or declaration; that is avowedly (but sometimes falsely) the thing specified; professed. Obsolete. II. Senses relating to or derived from (the conduct of) a profession or occupation. 3. a. Of a person or persons: that engages in a specified occupation or activity for money or as a means of earning a living, rather than as a pastime. Contrasted with amateur. Sometimes applied disparagingly to a person who makes a trade or profession of something usually associated with higher motives. b. Of an event, activity, occupation, etc. (now esp. a sport): undertaken or engaged in for money; engaged in by professionals (as distinct from non-professionals or amateurs). c. In humorous or derogatory use. Of a person: habitually making a feature of a particular activity or attribute, esp. one that is generally regarded with disfavour; inveterate. 4. Of, belonging to, or proper to a profession. a. Relating to, connected with, or befitting a (particular) profession or calling; preliminary or necessary to the practice of a profession. professional examination. b. Engaged in a profession, esp. one requiring special skill or training; belonging to the professional classes. c. Characteristic of or suitable for a professional person; (now esp. of equipment) of a type used by professionals. d. That has or displays the skill, knowledge, experience, standards, or expertise of a professional; competent, efficient. 5. That has knowledge of the theoretical or scientific parts of a trade or occupation, as distinct from its practical or mechanical aspects; that raises a trade to a learned profession. Now rare except as merged with senses at A. 4. 6. Physiology. Designating or relating to a cell which is specialized for the ingestion of particles by phagocytosis, such as a macrophage or neutrophil (as distinct from a cell capable of occasional phagocytosis). III. Senses related to the office of professor. 7. = professorial adj.Now rare. B. n. 1. a. A person who engages in a specified activity, especially a sport, as a paid occupation. Frequently opposed to amateur. b. Chiefly colloquial. A prostitute. 2. A person engaged in a profession, esp. one requiring special skill or training; a professional person, or a member of the professional classes. 3. Scottish University slang. Short for ‘professional examination’ 4. A person who does something with a high level of competence, commitment, or expertise. ----- So the use in this case can be construed to be entirely correct, c.f. Sense II §4 and Sense III §2 and §4

raverbashing 4y ago

Thanks for adding that definition, and it is sad that it is needed. (though those who already act professionally already knew it ;) while other people will grasp at straws and try to find technicalities to justify their bad attitude )