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So **ing what if UK healthtech isn't up to silicon valley 'standards'. As if the US healthcare system is anything to be envious of.

drstewart 4y ago
- hef19898 4y ago
  The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull. On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.
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  - drstewart 4y ago
    Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"
    - esperent 4y ago
      Affordability is a standard. Ease of access to all demographics, rather than just rich people, is a standard.
      - drstewart 4y ago
        So is healthcare IT, considering how many patients die due to medical charting errors alone. And the NHS isn't up to anyone's standard.
        hef19898 4y ago
        Such a strong statement, the patients dying due to charting errors, crys for a source. As does the fact that the NHS is not among the better systems, because any statistic, spending, outcome, average life span of people, shows the various single payer systems (in order to group all state sponsored systems together even if their are differences) out perform the US one. Let's entertain so that charting errors cause patient deaths. In order to judge how the NHS performs relative to other systems would require statistics on that fact alone. Not sure those even exist.
        esperent 4y ago
        Whataboutism at it's finest. You asked for an example, I gave you a clear and unrefutable example, and you refused to address it.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Access, affordability, wether or not people have to ruin themselves for treatment... And well, on mobile "b" and "n" are too close to one another for my fat fingers...
    - throwaway743 4y ago
      Don't be an ass. Affordability and access is a major issue here in the US, even with employer provided insurance. Most aren't making tech level salaries nor benefits, nevermind those who are unemployed and don't meet stringent requirements in states that haven't adopted medicaid expansion.
bidirectional 4y ago
- EdwardDiego 4y ago
  I feel like healing the sick, and caring for the poor, is something from a certain religion that some aspects of the Republicans would like to make the state religion. I've never understood the dichotomy between America's religious zeal, and the disinclination to put it into practice unless you're targeting abortion or gay people. Very selective.
  - bidirectional 4y ago
    I'm not American, I'm British and feel as though our approach to healthcare is hobbled by people who think the NHS is some saintly miracle and not a very expensive bureaucracy which provides mediocre value for money.
    - EdwardDiego 4y ago
      Firstly, I apologise for assuming there. Secondly, I agree that the NHS is described in almost hagiographic terms by some, especially left-leaning Americans. On the mediocre value for money, I don't doubt at all that the NHS could change to be better. That said, from my antipodean point of view, it appears to me that the Tories have been running the classic neoliberal play of "Set metrics that the public service will need more funding to meet, underfund them, point to the inability to meet your metrics as a) obvious proof that the government is inefficient and n bloated and b) reason to carve off the easy services for private sector businesses to fulfill at taxpayer expense, aforementioned private sector businesses often having been good donors, or close personal affiliations to members of your Cabinet. Bonus points if retiring MPs become members of their C-suites or board of directors" So yeah, the NHS definitely could be better, but I don't think the issues are inherent to it. Incidentally, our Tories have used that play repeatedly, hence why it's so familiar to me.
- MattPalmer1086 4y ago
  Where do you see fanaticism in that comment? I read it as not wanting a US style system. Which pretty much nobody in the world does, including a lot of Americans! So not that controversial... We generally like healthcare to be free at the point of use. There are many ways that can be funded.
pessimizer 4y ago
You can't defend inefficiency. The reason to have an NHS isn't to have artisan healthcare, it's to have free healthcare. The fact is you have a system that is large enough to totally justify doing this stuff in house, but instead the work is going to private firms doing the least for the most.

drstewart 4y ago

hef19898 4y ago
The US system isn't up to anyones stabdard except the rich and powerfull. On Palantir, all I've seen from them so far is one orbtwo levels shinier then what you can build in Excel, while costing more and providing less value.
- deleted 4y ago
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- drstewart 4y ago
  Can you tell me more about this low "stabdard"? Are the doctors undertrained and poor quality? No equipment? Please elaborate. Clearly you know about high "stabdards"
  - esperent 4y ago
    Affordability is a standard. Ease of access to all demographics, rather than just rich people, is a standard.
    - drstewart 4y ago
      So is healthcare IT, considering how many patients die due to medical charting errors alone. And the NHS isn't up to anyone's standard.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Such a strong statement, the patients dying due to charting errors, crys for a source. As does the fact that the NHS is not among the better systems, because any statistic, spending, outcome, average life span of people, shows the various single payer systems (in order to group all state sponsored systems together even if their are differences) out perform the US one. Let's entertain so that charting errors cause patient deaths. In order to judge how the NHS performs relative to other systems would require statistics on that fact alone. Not sure those even exist.
      - esperent 4y ago
        Whataboutism at it's finest. You asked for an example, I gave you a clear and unrefutable example, and you refused to address it.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Access, affordability, wether or not people have to ruin themselves for treatment... And well, on mobile "b" and "n" are too close to one another for my fat fingers...
  - throwaway743 4y ago
    Don't be an ass. Affordability and access is a major issue here in the US, even with employer provided insurance. Most aren't making tech level salaries nor benefits, nevermind those who are unemployed and don't meet stringent requirements in states that haven't adopted medicaid expansion.

bidirectional 4y ago

EdwardDiego 4y ago
I feel like healing the sick, and caring for the poor, is something from a certain religion that some aspects of the Republicans would like to make the state religion. I've never understood the dichotomy between America's religious zeal, and the disinclination to put it into practice unless you're targeting abortion or gay people. Very selective.
- bidirectional 4y ago
  I'm not American, I'm British and feel as though our approach to healthcare is hobbled by people who think the NHS is some saintly miracle and not a very expensive bureaucracy which provides mediocre value for money.
  - EdwardDiego 4y ago
    Firstly, I apologise for assuming there. Secondly, I agree that the NHS is described in almost hagiographic terms by some, especially left-leaning Americans. On the mediocre value for money, I don't doubt at all that the NHS could change to be better. That said, from my antipodean point of view, it appears to me that the Tories have been running the classic neoliberal play of "Set metrics that the public service will need more funding to meet, underfund them, point to the inability to meet your metrics as a) obvious proof that the government is inefficient and n bloated and b) reason to carve off the easy services for private sector businesses to fulfill at taxpayer expense, aforementioned private sector businesses often having been good donors, or close personal affiliations to members of your Cabinet. Bonus points if retiring MPs become members of their C-suites or board of directors" So yeah, the NHS definitely could be better, but I don't think the issues are inherent to it. Incidentally, our Tories have used that play repeatedly, hence why it's so familiar to me.
MattPalmer1086 4y ago
Where do you see fanaticism in that comment? I read it as not wanting a US style system. Which pretty much nobody in the world does, including a lot of Americans! So not that controversial... We generally like healthcare to be free at the point of use. There are many ways that can be funded.

pessimizer 4y ago

You can't defend inefficiency. The reason to have an NHS isn't to have artisan healthcare, it's to have free healthcare. The fact is you have a system that is large enough to totally justify doing this stuff in house, but instead the work is going to private firms doing the least for the most.