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People in the West rarely get to encounter situations such as these that make me thankful every day for the imperfect heaven we live in. This is a daily experi

People in the West rarely get to encounter situations such as these that make me thankful every day for the imperfect heaven we live in. This is a daily experience for the families of those 230k. Imagine the horrors the families in places like Xinjiang are going through. Even if a small portion of these reports is factual, we're talking rape, torture, organ harvesting, despicable acts against human life everywhere. What we have in the west isn't perfect, but God am i thankful to not have my family denied education or other social essentials because i decide to speak my mind.

walterbell 4y ago
> thankful to not have my family denied education or other social essentials because i decide to speak my mind Ongoing vigilance is essential to preserve these freedoms, as evidenced in the recent US DOJ prosecution of eBay executives for intimidation of a journalist, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33049853 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33049853 > A former eBay Inc. executive was sentenced on Thursday to almost five years in prison for leading a scheme to terrorize the creators of an online newsletter that included sending live spiders, cockroaches, a funeral wreath and other disturbing deliveries to their home.
- throwamon 4y ago
  Almost five years? Wow, I'm sure he'll come out of it a better, de-psychopathized man. Your example only shows what a joke the system we live under is and what ridiculous lengths we go to justify it.
  - walterbell 4y ago
    Are you aware of another such case which was even prosecuted, much less obtaining a conviction with prison sentence?
rmbyrro 4y ago
I've heard of a LOT of people in the West who lived during the 1940's and wouldn't agree so much with your perspective.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
  Yeah, but the person you're replying to is talking about people who live in the west today, not three quarters of a century ago.
powerapple 4y ago
In many cases, the families of some criminals are enjoying the benefit of the crimes. Actually that's how people from a same village can all go abroad participate in telecom scam activities. They see someone worked abroad and made a lot money, built a new house. The degree of such activities has became a major issue in China, that's why the whole operation was needed. What's worse now is that there are areas in southeast Asia and Africa have became a hotbed for kidnapping, Chinese citizens being lured abroad, kidnapped, slaved. If you read Chinese, go on Telegram, you see people being sold all the time.
- walterbell 4y ago
  > If you read Chinese, go on Telegram, you see people being sold all the time. Has there been an effort by Telegram to shut down accounts/communication related to human slavery?
  - powerapple 4y ago
    I don't know. It is pretty easy to find these channels. And the channel I followed has been there since I joined. My feeling is that Telegram does not enforce any standard or legal measure is the reason people use it freely and safely. It is also hard to enforce I think.

walterbell 4y ago

> thankful to not have my family denied education or other social essentials because i decide to speak my mind Ongoing vigilance is essential to preserve these freedoms, as evidenced in the recent US DOJ prosecution of eBay executives for intimidation of a journalist, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33049853 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33049853 > A former eBay Inc. executive was sentenced on Thursday to almost five years in prison for leading a scheme to terrorize the creators of an online newsletter that included sending live spiders, cockroaches, a funeral wreath and other disturbing deliveries to their home.

throwamon 4y ago
Almost five years? Wow, I'm sure he'll come out of it a better, de-psychopathized man. Your example only shows what a joke the system we live under is and what ridiculous lengths we go to justify it.
- walterbell 4y ago
  Are you aware of another such case which was even prosecuted, much less obtaining a conviction with prison sentence?

rmbyrro 4y ago

I've heard of a LOT of people in the West who lived during the 1940's and wouldn't agree so much with your perspective.

asdfasgasdgasdg 4y ago
Yeah, but the person you're replying to is talking about people who live in the west today, not three quarters of a century ago.

powerapple 4y ago

In many cases, the families of some criminals are enjoying the benefit of the crimes. Actually that's how people from a same village can all go abroad participate in telecom scam activities. They see someone worked abroad and made a lot money, built a new house. The degree of such activities has became a major issue in China, that's why the whole operation was needed. What's worse now is that there are areas in southeast Asia and Africa have became a hotbed for kidnapping, Chinese citizens being lured abroad, kidnapped, slaved. If you read Chinese, go on Telegram, you see people being sold all the time.

walterbell 4y ago
> If you read Chinese, go on Telegram, you see people being sold all the time. Has there been an effort by Telegram to shut down accounts/communication related to human slavery?
- powerapple 4y ago
  I don't know. It is pretty easy to find these channels. And the channel I followed has been there since I joined. My feeling is that Telegram does not enforce any standard or legal measure is the reason people use it freely and safely. It is also hard to enforce I think.