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I wonder how much if america's worker shortage issues can be fixed by fixing immigration. Free higher education at public colleges can also go a long way. We n

by _8j50 4y ago

I wonder how much if america's worker shortage issues can be fixed by fixing immigration. Free higher education at public colleges can also go a long way. We need more people who get this stuff but hate politics to become politicians.

jwond 4y ago
When corporations and the wealthy complain about worker shortages it seems to me they really just don’t want to have to raise wages or improve working conditions to attract workers. Or in the case of jobs that require certain training or education they don’t want to have to provide that training or education.
- _8j50 4y ago
  That is bullshit propaganda. I work in infosec, one of the most interesting fields out there. No degree and I get paid very very well. We are so short on talent we are forced to hire outside the US. 90% of applicants are terrible by any meaningful metric. Even when I interviewed at a startup once they told me 85% of applicants couldn't get past technical questionaire where the hardest question was having to fix bad syntax in a 6-7 line python code. We got a guy who just got his BSC in infosec and even then they teach them so little it is ridiculous. I am talking about 90K+ for 0 experience at most places! I am not very smart, I am terrible at making friends and networking, 0 social skills, absolutley unattractive or charming. Why am I doing well? Why is everyone else complaining? I am baffled about "quiet quit" bullshit. Why don't people have self respect and pride in their work? I get retail workers getting paid an unlivable wage but come on! You don't have to code or work in infosec, before all this I worked various blue collar jobs that have similar high demand (and this was 5+ yrs ago), still no degree and all my training was on the job and it was paying ok (60-75k). Why don't people want money? That is the question that baffles me so much. I mean, even if writing code was the only way to get paid 6 figures, why aren't people lining up to code even if they hate it with passion? You get money! Of course, it is because the immigrants and minorities are taking all the jobs (I wish they would at least the things can get done). Even in US colleges and companies, look at who is writing all the papers and new findings in STEM and compsci: a lot of asian immigrants/students!
nine_k 4y ago
How do you think immigration should be fixed? Should the US absorb large amounts of people from Latin America and from Africa?
- _8j50 4y ago
  No, the amount of people isn't the issue, but why did you pick those places? Sounds like you don't like people from there? And it also sounds like you don't have a grasp on just how broken and messed up USCIS is.
  - nine_k 4y ago
    I picked the less well-off regions of the world; immigration is almost universally from poorer places to richer places. No, I don't mind more immigrants, the US was built by immigrants, and I do remember what's written on the statue of Liberty. Ellis Island stopped accepting immigrants so easily though.
    - _8j50 4y ago
      Ok, so allowing people isn't the problem. It is very cruel in how it separates families, skilled workers come to the US but have an unstable future, it is too hard to get H1B for example even when you are in demand. Once they get h1b if they work a few years and are valuable to the company and US economy they should get permanent residency. Same with top scoring students that manage to land US based jobs as well people who immigrate on a business Visa (they should get H1B after working in the US for a while). There should be strict enforcement of immigration laws at the southern border. It is not fair for other immigranrs if you bypass the whole process and just walk in. No need foe cruelty, just a lifetime ban on working or engaging in commerce as well as a ban from the immigration process entirely (you will never become an american). If they have children or give birth on US soil the restricrion still applies to the children but instead of deportation you move them to restricted border settlements where they are given a few years to migrate back. Aiding illegal migration should be a felony as well but migrating itseld should not be a crime. If you become an american then your family should easily get a green card and come over as well. You should also know basic english and able to contribute to the US economy before you are allowed to migrate regardless of sponsorship. It really needs an overhaul to meet the needs and realities of today.

by _8j50 4y ago

jwond 4y ago

When corporations and the wealthy complain about worker shortages it seems to me they really just don’t want to have to raise wages or improve working conditions to attract workers. Or in the case of jobs that require certain training or education they don’t want to have to provide that training or education.

_8j50 4y ago
That is bullshit propaganda. I work in infosec, one of the most interesting fields out there. No degree and I get paid very very well. We are so short on talent we are forced to hire outside the US. 90% of applicants are terrible by any meaningful metric. Even when I interviewed at a startup once they told me 85% of applicants couldn't get past technical questionaire where the hardest question was having to fix bad syntax in a 6-7 line python code. We got a guy who just got his BSC in infosec and even then they teach them so little it is ridiculous. I am talking about 90K+ for 0 experience at most places! I am not very smart, I am terrible at making friends and networking, 0 social skills, absolutley unattractive or charming. Why am I doing well? Why is everyone else complaining? I am baffled about "quiet quit" bullshit. Why don't people have self respect and pride in their work? I get retail workers getting paid an unlivable wage but come on! You don't have to code or work in infosec, before all this I worked various blue collar jobs that have similar high demand (and this was 5+ yrs ago), still no degree and all my training was on the job and it was paying ok (60-75k). Why don't people want money? That is the question that baffles me so much. I mean, even if writing code was the only way to get paid 6 figures, why aren't people lining up to code even if they hate it with passion? You get money! Of course, it is because the immigrants and minorities are taking all the jobs (I wish they would at least the things can get done). Even in US colleges and companies, look at who is writing all the papers and new findings in STEM and compsci: a lot of asian immigrants/students!

nine_k 4y ago

How do you think immigration should be fixed? Should the US absorb large amounts of people from Latin America and from Africa?

_8j50 4y ago
No, the amount of people isn't the issue, but why did you pick those places? Sounds like you don't like people from there? And it also sounds like you don't have a grasp on just how broken and messed up USCIS is.
- nine_k 4y ago
  I picked the less well-off regions of the world; immigration is almost universally from poorer places to richer places. No, I don't mind more immigrants, the US was built by immigrants, and I do remember what's written on the statue of Liberty. Ellis Island stopped accepting immigrants so easily though.
  - _8j50 4y ago
    Ok, so allowing people isn't the problem. It is very cruel in how it separates families, skilled workers come to the US but have an unstable future, it is too hard to get H1B for example even when you are in demand. Once they get h1b if they work a few years and are valuable to the company and US economy they should get permanent residency. Same with top scoring students that manage to land US based jobs as well people who immigrate on a business Visa (they should get H1B after working in the US for a while). There should be strict enforcement of immigration laws at the southern border. It is not fair for other immigranrs if you bypass the whole process and just walk in. No need foe cruelty, just a lifetime ban on working or engaging in commerce as well as a ban from the immigration process entirely (you will never become an american). If they have children or give birth on US soil the restricrion still applies to the children but instead of deportation you move them to restricted border settlements where they are given a few years to migrate back. Aiding illegal migration should be a felony as well but migrating itseld should not be a crime. If you become an american then your family should easily get a green card and come over as well. You should also know basic english and able to contribute to the US economy before you are allowed to migrate regardless of sponsorship. It really needs an overhaul to meet the needs and realities of today.