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Sure they definitely exist. But I would be surprised it's more then a hundredth to a tenth of a percent of users. Sure you can pander to those, and you should i

Sure they definitely exist. But I would be surprised it's more then a hundredth to a tenth of a percent of users. Sure you can pander to those, and you should if it doesn't have serious drawbacks. But not being able make laptops smaller is a serious drawback, even this CAMM memory is still stacking PCBs which costs quite a bit of room.

justsomehnguy 4y ago
> But not being able make laptops smaller is a serious drawback How thin your notebook should be? Especially if it's not a low powered used once in a while\emergency one, but an everyday workhorse? I updated my previous comment, take a look there.
- rowanG077 4y ago
  As thin as possible to not throttle under load. A few mm saved in the memory module could allow for a slightly thicker fan for example.
  - gtvwill 4y ago
    Lol find me a laptop where the memory and the fan share the same footprint.laptops aren't short of space.
    - rowanG077 4y ago
      > Lol find me a laptop where the memory and the fan share the same footprint Designing any laptop is an effort in solving constraints as best as possible. Of course if you suddenly create a few mm somewhere it might allow you to redesign the laptop to use those extra mm. It has nothing to do whether memory or fans share the same footprint. > laptops aren't short of space. Of course they are. Any device that is designed to be as portable as possible is short of space. You can obviously see that in the components used. 15 inch laptops can have much more powerful CPUs and GPUs just because they have more space. If laptops weren't short of space we'd have the most powerful laptops in the smallest form factors with essentially infinite battery power.
  - justsomehnguy 4y ago
    > to not throttle under load Then you need a thicker, not thinner one. More vertical space - more space for the heatsink - more heatsink efficiency. But the other comment is right, nor SO-DIMM, nor CAMM would share the space with heatsink/fan/blower. Eg look at this ultraportable [0] inner space. The whole motherboard with CPU, PCI Wi-Fi card, north and south bridge and 4 memory chip takes space of roughly a CD-ROM drive. If you could see the whole notebook you would see what the whole notebook consists of two parts - one is the ODD, other is mobo. And this is a notebook from 2006. We can do compact notebooks for years, it's not a problem to make small, light, thin notebooks. The only problem is making light and powerful notebooks, but they can't be thin by design, because more power - bigger battery - bigger case both for battery and (usually) for a bigger screen. But in 99% of time you wouldn't notice the difference between 18.6mm and 19.6mm. [0] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-auBQuafSbis/UN0ZNV_ED2I/AAAAAAAAAz0/QFHomCG-Abw/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/IMG_20121223_113105.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-auBQuafSbis/UN0ZNV_ED2I/AAAAAAAAAz...

justsomehnguy 4y ago

> But not being able make laptops smaller is a serious drawback How thin your notebook should be? Especially if it's not a low powered used once in a while\emergency one, but an everyday workhorse? I updated my previous comment, take a look there.

rowanG077 4y ago
As thin as possible to not throttle under load. A few mm saved in the memory module could allow for a slightly thicker fan for example.
- gtvwill 4y ago
  Lol find me a laptop where the memory and the fan share the same footprint.laptops aren't short of space.
  - rowanG077 4y ago
    > Lol find me a laptop where the memory and the fan share the same footprint Designing any laptop is an effort in solving constraints as best as possible. Of course if you suddenly create a few mm somewhere it might allow you to redesign the laptop to use those extra mm. It has nothing to do whether memory or fans share the same footprint. > laptops aren't short of space. Of course they are. Any device that is designed to be as portable as possible is short of space. You can obviously see that in the components used. 15 inch laptops can have much more powerful CPUs and GPUs just because they have more space. If laptops weren't short of space we'd have the most powerful laptops in the smallest form factors with essentially infinite battery power.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago
  > to not throttle under load Then you need a thicker, not thinner one. More vertical space - more space for the heatsink - more heatsink efficiency. But the other comment is right, nor SO-DIMM, nor CAMM would share the space with heatsink/fan/blower. Eg look at this ultraportable [0] inner space. The whole motherboard with CPU, PCI Wi-Fi card, north and south bridge and 4 memory chip takes space of roughly a CD-ROM drive. If you could see the whole notebook you would see what the whole notebook consists of two parts - one is the ODD, other is mobo. And this is a notebook from 2006. We can do compact notebooks for years, it's not a problem to make small, light, thin notebooks. The only problem is making light and powerful notebooks, but they can't be thin by design, because more power - bigger battery - bigger case both for battery and (usually) for a bigger screen. But in 99% of time you wouldn't notice the difference between 18.6mm and 19.6mm. [0] http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-auBQuafSbis/UN0ZNV_ED2I/AAAAAAAAAz0/QFHomCG-Abw/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/IMG_20121223_113105.jpg http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-auBQuafSbis/UN0ZNV_ED2I/AAAAAAAAAz...