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What he is doing is exactly what's proscribed in the UN Charter, and was argued to be the supreme international crime by a Soviet jurist at the Nuremberg trials

by cmurf 4y ago

What he is doing is exactly what's proscribed in the UN Charter, and was argued to be the supreme international crime by a Soviet jurist at the Nuremberg trials: a war of aggression, intended to expand border or subjugate people. If Ukraine wins, there might be a nuclear detonation. If Ukraine backs down, it will be exterminated. It's better to have tried to stop this tyranny and die anyway, than to see it succeed and spread. This is blackmail. The world needs to categorically reject it. Importantly this means China and India need to reject this path. Ukraine has a right to exist, to free its people and territory. That Russia considers this so terrible that it's threatening to use nukes proves it cannot responsibly be a nuclear power. Free nations can't survive if it rolls over to this blackmail. Russia will come for more, having been shown the world will cower and give them whatever they want.

rightbyte 4y ago
> a war of aggression [...] If Ukraine backs down, it will be exterminated. There has been many wars of aggression that does not end in countries being exterminated. Having Ukraine make it a do or die situation is nothing the US should support.
- detaro 4y ago
  > There has been many wars of aggression that does not end in countries being exterminated. In how many of those was a) erasing the target the stated goal of the aggressor and b) successful resistance was not the reason for it not ending that way?
- CamperBob2 4y ago
  What makes you think your country isn't next on Putin's list? Even nuclear-armed NATO members are subject to this type of blackmail. "Give me what I want or I nuke $some_nearby_country_that_isnt_in_NATO." Basically, Putin knows we won't answer a nuclear strike in Ukraine by nuking Russia. Why shouldn't he take advantage of that fact? Yes, we'll invade and kick his army's asses out of Ukraine... but eviction from Ukraine is happening with near-100% probability anyway if he doesn't resort to nukes. He will respond to our invasion by nuking our own troops... and again, we will do nothing to Russia in return.

by cmurf 4y ago

rightbyte 4y ago

> a war of aggression [...] If Ukraine backs down, it will be exterminated. There has been many wars of aggression that does not end in countries being exterminated. Having Ukraine make it a do or die situation is nothing the US should support.

detaro 4y ago
> There has been many wars of aggression that does not end in countries being exterminated. In how many of those was a) erasing the target the stated goal of the aggressor and b) successful resistance was not the reason for it not ending that way?
CamperBob2 4y ago
What makes you think your country isn't next on Putin's list? Even nuclear-armed NATO members are subject to this type of blackmail. "Give me what I want or I nuke $some_nearby_country_that_isnt_in_NATO." Basically, Putin knows we won't answer a nuclear strike in Ukraine by nuking Russia. Why shouldn't he take advantage of that fact? Yes, we'll invade and kick his army's asses out of Ukraine... but eviction from Ukraine is happening with near-100% probability anyway if he doesn't resort to nukes. He will respond to our invasion by nuking our own troops... and again, we will do nothing to Russia in return.