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> Made for photographers Please someone make a photo/video storage for families. Our photo stream is not artisan award-winning landscapes, they're messy bunch

> Made for photographers Please someone make a photo/video storage for families. Our photo stream is not artisan award-winning landscapes, they're messy bunch of travel photos, pictures of receipts and random exif-less pngs sent to us.

bleomycin 4y ago
immich isn’t quite there yet but it’s trajectory looks pretty good to fill this role https://www.immich.app https://www.immich.app
- PenguinCoder 4y ago
  This is on my list to keep an eye on. I like that it's just a simple front end and not trying to be everything like Photo prism. I use Photo prism but I don't like how heavy it is. I want to use something like immich but it's not quite ready for production usage for me.
LeoPanthera 4y ago
If this existed, but also contained AI object recognition to automatically tag and describe photos, I would pay actually quite a lot of money for it.
- Chico75 4y ago
  Google photos but self-hosted?
  - LeoPanthera 4y ago
    Yes please.
    - halfdan 4y ago
      I'm pretty happy with Synology Photos on my NAS. It's got face detection, interprets the exif and gives you geo maps, has albums and sharing. Got it set up for my entire family.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - pj_mukh 4y ago
        Does it have mobile upload?
        aborsy 4y ago
        Sure!
      - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
        It doesn’t back up photos. It exports them. Not the same. Take a slow motion video. The version on your NAS will be 30 FPS, slowed down in the middle. For a backup I expect it to be the 240 FPS version.
  - jszymborski 4y ago
    Photoprism sorta bills itself this way. I've found the AI features surprisingly useful, as well as the geotagging.
    - LeoPanthera 4y ago
      Photoprism advertises itself as only having facial recognition, is that not correct?
      - jszymborski 4y ago
        It recognises objects in the photo as well. Here are some random labels from my library: - Altar - Bookcase - Festival - Keyboard - Streetcar Some are very wrong (A photo of a lake as "gallery"), some are wrong but tricky (red geode with white veins as "meat") and most are spot on. Edit: In fact, I'm not sure that I have the facial recognition configured... perhaps its in a newer release
    - capableweb 4y ago
      I'm also looking for "Google Photos but self-hosted" with the main feature being automatic object detection. I just tried the Photoprism demo (https://demo.photoprism.app/browse https://demo.photoprism.app/browse), searched for "person", "grass", "wave", "head", "eye", "neon" and a bunch of other terms, nothing seemed to find any pictures although I took the concepts from existing photos I found. Back button is also broken on the demo, which makes it seem like the most basic UX is not there yet in the application. The quest continues...
ongy 4y ago
Have a look at https://photoprism.app/ https://photoprism.app/ then. I think their actual multi-user story is somewhat lacking, but if you want a shared picture dump with some features that help sorting through a bunch of random images it should work well.
- alias_neo 4y ago
  I've tried most of these tools at home and I tried to get on with Photoprism, but once I got to the point where I'd increased the VM RAM size all the way to 32GB and it was still eating it all, I gave up; the experience wasnt quite right particularly for multi-user; what's the use in a family photo library if my wife can't access it too? Right now I'm working on a desktop tool (Linux-first because that's what I run) to take a bunch of folders as input, find duplicates and let you clean up the duplicates or "merge to destination" because this has been one thing I've struggled to find something nice to use for. It's early days and I'm only so far at the point of hashing images and detecting and counting duplicates, but as an experienced backend software engineer the UI tools are a real learning curve. I'm also trying to make the UX clean and simple with next to no UX nouse. I'm using Wails + Svelte; I've not worked with Node, Svelte or Wails before so I may or may not end up switching techs but the backend is in Go. It's not one of these photo gallery/management tools but I've been finding that really, all I honestly need for my family photos that are reaching terabytes in size is: that I'm not waating space and I have a good archive of everything in one place. I'm curious if this is a tool others might be interested in.
  - ongy 4y ago
    Not sure about the memory requirements. My container currenty uses 128MB RES memory. But I also only have a couple thousand images. Not sure how strictly in memory some DB/structures are. I assume importing an existing library takes a lot, as it does the inference/training for face detection and auto-tagging. I've seen that it uses a lot of CPU at least, haven't looked into the memory. Multi-user is lacking to missing. I'm not 100% sure which state photoprism is in, as I was shopping for a self host service. OTOH I don't care about that for family. I'm not hosting anything for untrusted people, or to default backup everything, but as common library. So I'm fine if everyone sees everything and expect people to play nice. But I do agree that multi user (and maybe integrated auto-sync for phones) are major missing features. I'm just in the situation that it doesn't really matter to me currently.
369548684892826 4y ago
photoprism is pretty good. Open source, face recognition, and automatic classification of pictures based on their content and location. https://photoprism.app/ https://photoprism.app/
mceachen 4y ago
Hey, I'm building that! https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/ https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/ The novel random "taste" UI makes navigating even very large libraries fun and serendipitous. There are a ton of configurable image and video filters that can prevent the exif-less screenshots and other random nose from getting imported in the first place. Hop into the discord if you need any help with setup, I'm online. (Also, know that I've open sourced a bunch of the core functionality, but this is commercial software, albeit with a very generous "free" tier).
- huimang 4y ago
  Personally, with things as serious as photo libraries, proprietary software is a no-go for me. I'd rather use something with community support like Lychee than pray that e.g. photostructure will be available years later.
  - mceachen 4y ago
    As an open source developer for more than 20 years, I agree--using proprietary software that "locks up" your work leaves you somewhat of a hostage to that app. That's why all of PhotoStructure's metadata changes are stored using EXIF or XMP standards either within the file, or alongside in a sidecar (if you prefer). File organization is also completely customizable, and designed to work in concert with other DAMs, if desired. Details are here: https://photostructure.com/faq/system-of-record/ https://photostructure.com/faq/system-of-record/ Also: if the business ends, the code becomes open source. Details here: https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/#if-photostructure-inc-goes-away-photostructure-wont https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/#if-photos...
    - huimang 4y ago
      That's a fair compromise I think. Photostructure does look quite nice, so I'll give it a go.
    - splitbrain 4y ago
      This sounds like something I always wanted. But I can't really figure out if I understand correctly from your website. So could you please clarify: when I edit the keyword of a photo in your software, will this keyword be written back into the EXIF data of the original file? If so, you just got a new paying user.
bbq123 4y ago
I'm making something similar for my own use for now. Create a trip, upload a 1000 of pictures, delete all but 100-200, see them on the map or on the timeline. Add comments to individual pics or to location or to dates. And yes, the whole family can upload pics and they can be batch assigned a date or location. Too early to show anything yet.
Terretta 4y ago
iOS 16.1 adds a family camera roll. It's not a shared album with lower res dupes, it's a real camera roll implemented as iCloud photo stream that multiple people can be permissioned to, with photos from your regular camera going in either manually, or automatically based on geofencing or proximity to other roll members. It can also retroactively suggest merging photos from shared events etc. Your main camera roll then can show only private photos, shared photos, or both. Apple One for Family includes 2TB storage and account owner can now optionally merge in their own 2TB for a total of 4TB for family photos. In other news, iOS 16.0 now makes it easier for photo notes to end up in Notes not photos, also easier to snap send and delete, snap images of text to actual text, etc, many easier ways to avoid gunking up the photo roll.

bleomycin 4y ago

immich isn’t quite there yet but it’s trajectory looks pretty good to fill this role https://www.immich.app https://www.immich.app

PenguinCoder 4y ago
This is on my list to keep an eye on. I like that it's just a simple front end and not trying to be everything like Photo prism. I use Photo prism but I don't like how heavy it is. I want to use something like immich but it's not quite ready for production usage for me.

LeoPanthera 4y ago

If this existed, but also contained AI object recognition to automatically tag and describe photos, I would pay actually quite a lot of money for it.

Chico75 4y ago
Google photos but self-hosted?
- LeoPanthera 4y ago
  Yes please.
  - halfdan 4y ago
    I'm pretty happy with Synology Photos on my NAS. It's got face detection, interprets the exif and gives you geo maps, has albums and sharing. Got it set up for my entire family.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - pj_mukh 4y ago
      Does it have mobile upload?
      - aborsy 4y ago
        Sure!
    - WirelessGigabit 4y ago
      It doesn’t back up photos. It exports them. Not the same. Take a slow motion video. The version on your NAS will be 30 FPS, slowed down in the middle. For a backup I expect it to be the 240 FPS version.
- jszymborski 4y ago
  Photoprism sorta bills itself this way. I've found the AI features surprisingly useful, as well as the geotagging.
  - LeoPanthera 4y ago
    Photoprism advertises itself as only having facial recognition, is that not correct?
    - jszymborski 4y ago
      It recognises objects in the photo as well. Here are some random labels from my library: - Altar - Bookcase - Festival - Keyboard - Streetcar Some are very wrong (A photo of a lake as "gallery"), some are wrong but tricky (red geode with white veins as "meat") and most are spot on. Edit: In fact, I'm not sure that I have the facial recognition configured... perhaps its in a newer release
  - capableweb 4y ago
    I'm also looking for "Google Photos but self-hosted" with the main feature being automatic object detection. I just tried the Photoprism demo (https://demo.photoprism.app/browse https://demo.photoprism.app/browse), searched for "person", "grass", "wave", "head", "eye", "neon" and a bunch of other terms, nothing seemed to find any pictures although I took the concepts from existing photos I found. Back button is also broken on the demo, which makes it seem like the most basic UX is not there yet in the application. The quest continues...

ongy 4y ago

Have a look at https://photoprism.app/ https://photoprism.app/ then. I think their actual multi-user story is somewhat lacking, but if you want a shared picture dump with some features that help sorting through a bunch of random images it should work well.

alias_neo 4y ago
I've tried most of these tools at home and I tried to get on with Photoprism, but once I got to the point where I'd increased the VM RAM size all the way to 32GB and it was still eating it all, I gave up; the experience wasnt quite right particularly for multi-user; what's the use in a family photo library if my wife can't access it too? Right now I'm working on a desktop tool (Linux-first because that's what I run) to take a bunch of folders as input, find duplicates and let you clean up the duplicates or "merge to destination" because this has been one thing I've struggled to find something nice to use for. It's early days and I'm only so far at the point of hashing images and detecting and counting duplicates, but as an experienced backend software engineer the UI tools are a real learning curve. I'm also trying to make the UX clean and simple with next to no UX nouse. I'm using Wails + Svelte; I've not worked with Node, Svelte or Wails before so I may or may not end up switching techs but the backend is in Go. It's not one of these photo gallery/management tools but I've been finding that really, all I honestly need for my family photos that are reaching terabytes in size is: that I'm not waating space and I have a good archive of everything in one place. I'm curious if this is a tool others might be interested in.
- ongy 4y ago
  Not sure about the memory requirements. My container currenty uses 128MB RES memory. But I also only have a couple thousand images. Not sure how strictly in memory some DB/structures are. I assume importing an existing library takes a lot, as it does the inference/training for face detection and auto-tagging. I've seen that it uses a lot of CPU at least, haven't looked into the memory. Multi-user is lacking to missing. I'm not 100% sure which state photoprism is in, as I was shopping for a self host service. OTOH I don't care about that for family. I'm not hosting anything for untrusted people, or to default backup everything, but as common library. So I'm fine if everyone sees everything and expect people to play nice. But I do agree that multi user (and maybe integrated auto-sync for phones) are major missing features. I'm just in the situation that it doesn't really matter to me currently.

369548684892826 4y ago

photoprism is pretty good. Open source, face recognition, and automatic classification of pictures based on their content and location. https://photoprism.app/ https://photoprism.app/

mceachen 4y ago

Hey, I'm building that! https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/ https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/ The novel random "taste" UI makes navigating even very large libraries fun and serendipitous. There are a ton of configurable image and video filters that can prevent the exif-less screenshots and other random nose from getting imported in the first place. Hop into the discord if you need any help with setup, I'm online. (Also, know that I've open sourced a bunch of the core functionality, but this is commercial software, albeit with a very generous "free" tier).

huimang 4y ago
Personally, with things as serious as photo libraries, proprietary software is a no-go for me. I'd rather use something with community support like Lychee than pray that e.g. photostructure will be available years later.
- mceachen 4y ago
  As an open source developer for more than 20 years, I agree--using proprietary software that "locks up" your work leaves you somewhat of a hostage to that app. That's why all of PhotoStructure's metadata changes are stored using EXIF or XMP standards either within the file, or alongside in a sidecar (if you prefer). File organization is also completely customizable, and designed to work in concert with other DAMs, if desired. Details are here: https://photostructure.com/faq/system-of-record/ https://photostructure.com/faq/system-of-record/ Also: if the business ends, the code becomes open source. Details here: https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/#if-photostructure-inc-goes-away-photostructure-wont https://photostructure.com/faq/why-photostructure/#if-photos...
  - huimang 4y ago
    That's a fair compromise I think. Photostructure does look quite nice, so I'll give it a go.
  - splitbrain 4y ago
    This sounds like something I always wanted. But I can't really figure out if I understand correctly from your website. So could you please clarify: when I edit the keyword of a photo in your software, will this keyword be written back into the EXIF data of the original file? If so, you just got a new paying user.

bbq123 4y ago

I'm making something similar for my own use for now. Create a trip, upload a 1000 of pictures, delete all but 100-200, see them on the map or on the timeline. Add comments to individual pics or to location or to dates. And yes, the whole family can upload pics and they can be batch assigned a date or location. Too early to show anything yet.

Terretta 4y ago

iOS 16.1 adds a family camera roll. It's not a shared album with lower res dupes, it's a real camera roll implemented as iCloud photo stream that multiple people can be permissioned to, with photos from your regular camera going in either manually, or automatically based on geofencing or proximity to other roll members. It can also retroactively suggest merging photos from shared events etc. Your main camera roll then can show only private photos, shared photos, or both. Apple One for Family includes 2TB storage and account owner can now optionally merge in their own 2TB for a total of 4TB for family photos. In other news, iOS 16.0 now makes it easier for photo notes to end up in Notes not photos, also easier to snap send and delete, snap images of text to actual text, etc, many easier ways to avoid gunking up the photo roll.