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FYI, people believe that dev tools don't make money, but atlassian, pagerduty, zendesk, etc show that there is a market. And most tools kind of suck.

by mannyv 4y ago

mannyv 4y ago
As a note, if you're in a startup you have no idea how far ahead of most developers you are. I keep forgetting that most developers throw their stuff over the wall to IT and probably don't have a ci pipeline, do IaC, , and probably don't deploy their own microservices or understand the AWS stack. They probably have a 60% chance they use source control instead of just copying folders and changing the folder name. They don't do logging or security. They scale by buying bigger instances. Docker is their current tech boner instead of puppet. Although pathetic, it is an opportunity.
- freedomben 4y ago
  This is true, but most of those devs are in that situation because they want to be. They have less than zero interest in taking on more. Often these people also value job security/stability above advancement/novelty. Many of them also do coding only while at work, and if they will learn a new skill/tech it will be because their employer is paying them to. Often this group will not follow any tech news/blogs/anything and isn't even reachable. In short it's a pretty tough group to market to. To be clear, I'm not making a value judgment on this. If those people are happy with life, that's great! That's mostly the point IMHO.
DannyBee 4y ago
A market exists, yes. But that market size overall is small, and the number of players is large. The entire dev tools market is consistently estimated at around 5 billion right now, and only 11-12 billion 5 years from now. The CAGR is about 13-14%. ML, which appeared out of nowhere, is estimated at ~15-20 billion right now, and 100-200 billion in 5 years. The CAGR is ~40% right now. (The estimates vary on whether they think CAGR slows down or not, etc, hence the variation 5 years from now). In one of these markets, you need to be a big fish in a small pond, but you'd have to take out established players to do it. In the other, you at least might stand a chance of building something new that takes over as the market grows 10x. In the o

FYI, people believe that dev tools don't make money, but atlassian, pagerduty, zendesk, etc show that there is a market. And most tools kind of suck.

by mannyv 4y ago

FYI, people believe that dev tools don't make money, but atlassian, pagerduty, zendesk, etc show that there is a market. And most tools kind of suck.

mannyv 4y ago

As a note, if you're in a startup you have no idea how far ahead of most developers you are. I keep forgetting that most developers throw their stuff over the wall to IT and probably don't have a ci pipeline, do IaC, , and probably don't deploy their own microservices or understand the AWS stack. They probably have a 60% chance they use source control instead of just copying folders and changing the folder name. They don't do logging or security. They scale by buying bigger instances. Docker is their current tech boner instead of puppet. Although pathetic, it is an opportunity.

freedomben 4y ago
This is true, but most of those devs are in that situation because they want to be. They have less than zero interest in taking on more. Often these people also value job security/stability above advancement/novelty. Many of them also do coding only while at work, and if they will learn a new skill/tech it will be because their employer is paying them to. Often this group will not follow any tech news/blogs/anything and isn't even reachable. In short it's a pretty tough group to market to. To be clear, I'm not making a value judgment on this. If those people are happy with life, that's great! That's mostly the point IMHO.

DannyBee 4y ago

A market exists, yes. But that market size overall is small, and the number of players is large. The entire dev tools market is consistently estimated at around 5 billion right now, and only 11-12 billion 5 years from now. The CAGR is about 13-14%. ML, which appeared out of nowhere, is estimated at ~15-20 billion right now, and 100-200 billion in 5 years. The CAGR is ~40% right now. (The estimates vary on whether they think CAGR slows down or not, etc, hence the variation 5 years from now). In one of these markets, you need to be a big fish in a small pond, but you'd have to take out established players to do it. In the other, you at least might stand a chance of building something new that takes over as the market grows 10x. In the o