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No game developer is using raw Vulkan, Metal or DX12. these APIs aren't the same level of abstraction as OpenGL... Vulkan is AMD's Mantle open-sourced, it's f

No game developer is using raw Vulkan, Metal or DX12. these APIs aren't the same level of abstraction as OpenGL... Vulkan is AMD's Mantle open-sourced, it's far too low level for devs to waste time with, it's a target for game engines and renderers.

dagmx 4y ago
I think both your sentences are incorrect. Tons of AAA game developers make their own engine and therefore work directly with the APIs while making an abstraction layer for their higher level game developers. Vulkan is also not just Mantle open sourced. It’s a significant deviation from the original Mantle API. Mantle was a starting point but what emerged as Vulkan was quite different.
- Mikeb85 4y ago
  > Tons of AAA game developers make their own engine Recently a bunch switched to Unreal. Are there THAT many that still maintain their own? Seems like it's just big studios and less than a dozen. Even a massive company like Square Enix is now using Unreal for many projects.
  - sk0g 4y ago
    Ubisoft have about 5 engines themselves. When Microsoft acquires Acti-Blizz, they'll have close to a dozen engines under their umbrella as is, I think. UE being picked up by a AAA studio is news, because gamers associate UE with extreme fidelity graphics. A studio using a proprietary engine is boring because it won't matter one bit for 99% of people, and is modus operandi, basically. Edit: remembered SteamDB has a rough breakdown based on manual rules, so a lot of engines aren't picked up, but it's still interesting - https://steamdb.info/tech/ https://steamdb.info/tech/ Proprietary engines tend to be more common on consoles I think - Steam has a lower barrier to entry overall, so it doesn't filter out the smaller projects as much (which are more likely to use an off-the-shelf engine).
  - dagmx 4y ago
    Almost all Sony first party studios use custom engines, even when they support PC. Most Nintendo first party games are custom engines. The majority of Microsoft first party games are custom engines. Ubisoft use custom engines, EA use custom engines. Call of Duty is a custom engine (derived from idTech) If you go to the GDC YouTube channel ( https://youtube.com/c/Gdconf https://youtube.com/c/Gdconf ) you can see the range of game specific things that these studios are working on that using an off the shelf engine is limiting I also recommend looking at the presentations on http://advances.realtimerendering.com/ http://advances.realtimerendering.com/
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  Not just AAA. It's certainly a minority, but custom engines aren't that uncommon even among indies. The last game I finished was Return to Monkey Island released two weeks ago, built on a custom engine with custom Vulkan and DirectX 12 renderers (and I guess the macOS version probably uses Metal).
  - cyber_kinetist 4y ago
    I’m curious why they went full-on Vulkan/DX12 instead of just DX11. It’s an adventure 2D game, the performance requirements aren’t that high, and DX11 still has the most stable and performant drivers out of all the APIs.
    - Already__Taken 4y ago
      Possibly their next game is less refined so they learned the dev stack on something that was less up for debate. Now the know the dev stack to focus on content.

dagmx 4y ago

I think both your sentences are incorrect. Tons of AAA game developers make their own engine and therefore work directly with the APIs while making an abstraction layer for their higher level game developers. Vulkan is also not just Mantle open sourced. It’s a significant deviation from the original Mantle API. Mantle was a starting point but what emerged as Vulkan was quite different.

Mikeb85 4y ago
> Tons of AAA game developers make their own engine Recently a bunch switched to Unreal. Are there THAT many that still maintain their own? Seems like it's just big studios and less than a dozen. Even a massive company like Square Enix is now using Unreal for many projects.
- sk0g 4y ago
  Ubisoft have about 5 engines themselves. When Microsoft acquires Acti-Blizz, they'll have close to a dozen engines under their umbrella as is, I think. UE being picked up by a AAA studio is news, because gamers associate UE with extreme fidelity graphics. A studio using a proprietary engine is boring because it won't matter one bit for 99% of people, and is modus operandi, basically. Edit: remembered SteamDB has a rough breakdown based on manual rules, so a lot of engines aren't picked up, but it's still interesting - https://steamdb.info/tech/ https://steamdb.info/tech/ Proprietary engines tend to be more common on consoles I think - Steam has a lower barrier to entry overall, so it doesn't filter out the smaller projects as much (which are more likely to use an off-the-shelf engine).
- dagmx 4y ago
  Almost all Sony first party studios use custom engines, even when they support PC. Most Nintendo first party games are custom engines. The majority of Microsoft first party games are custom engines. Ubisoft use custom engines, EA use custom engines. Call of Duty is a custom engine (derived from idTech) If you go to the GDC YouTube channel ( https://youtube.com/c/Gdconf https://youtube.com/c/Gdconf ) you can see the range of game specific things that these studios are working on that using an off the shelf engine is limiting I also recommend looking at the presentations on http://advances.realtimerendering.com/ http://advances.realtimerendering.com/
seba_dos1 4y ago
Not just AAA. It's certainly a minority, but custom engines aren't that uncommon even among indies. The last game I finished was Return to Monkey Island released two weeks ago, built on a custom engine with custom Vulkan and DirectX 12 renderers (and I guess the macOS version probably uses Metal).
- cyber_kinetist 4y ago
  I’m curious why they went full-on Vulkan/DX12 instead of just DX11. It’s an adventure 2D game, the performance requirements aren’t that high, and DX11 still has the most stable and performant drivers out of all the APIs.
  - Already__Taken 4y ago
    Possibly their next game is less refined so they learned the dev stack on something that was less up for debate. Now the know the dev stack to focus on content.