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Wait, I thought .com/.net (among others) were generic TLDs governed by ICANN? I would assume .us might fall into this warning (as would other country code TLDs

by bmj 15y ago

Wait, I thought .com/.net (among others) were generic TLDs governed by ICANN? I would assume .us might fall into this warning (as would other country code TLDs), but .com and .net?

eli 15y ago
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302
- bmj 15y ago
  Thanks. I still have a question, though: if the FBI can seize these domain names, does that mean they can seize any domain names? I'm a little fuzzy on the control/management scheme here.
  - uxp 15y ago
    As anyone has said elsewhere in this thread, all they are doing is strongarming the administrators of the TLDs that operate primary offices inside the USA to alter the DNS entries for specified domains they feel are being used to break the law, because that is their jurisdiction, and prevent the owner from being able to change it back. One of the more controversial parts of SOPA is the ability of ICE/Customs to be able to "un-resolve" domain names under other TLDs and country codes. Since the USA does not have jurisdiction over Russia (as an example), there is no current way to block a filesharing or spammer operating with a .ru address without having a partnership with Russia. This aspect of SOPA would allow the USA Government to block all domain name servers from resolving that address properly, by basically poisoning the legitimate DNS entry with one that resolves to some landing page operated by ICE. They won't be able to seize the domain, but they'll make it just as worthless to anyone inside the USA.
vidarh 15y ago
What matters is whether or not the operator of the TLD is within US jurisdiction, not the purpose of the TLD.
- bmj 15y ago
  So, in that case, the FBI could seize any domain as long as the operator is within US jurisdiction?
  - tristanperry 15y ago
    Yep, pretty much. Not exactly fair, but that's the current 'system'..
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Yes.
  - vidarh 15y ago
    Yes, and be aware the operation of a lot of ccTLD's are outsourced to companies outside the country in question. I don't know that much about how many are or aren't operated out of the US, but most of the generic TLD's are, and several ccTLD's definitively are too - for example .tv and .cc are operated by Verisign, and .co is operated by Neustar.
larrys 15y ago
You're right. Anything governed by ICANN. And I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about the control issue just pointing out the for example .org .us .info etc. would be in the same boat.

by bmj 15y ago

Wait, I thought .com/.net (among others) were generic TLDs governed by ICANN? I would assume .us might fall into this warning (as would other country code TLDs), but .com and .net?

eli 15y ago

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2451302

bmj 15y ago
Thanks. I still have a question, though: if the FBI can seize these domain names, does that mean they can seize any domain names? I'm a little fuzzy on the control/management scheme here.
- uxp 15y ago
  As anyone has said elsewhere in this thread, all they are doing is strongarming the administrators of the TLDs that operate primary offices inside the USA to alter the DNS entries for specified domains they feel are being used to break the law, because that is their jurisdiction, and prevent the owner from being able to change it back. One of the more controversial parts of SOPA is the ability of ICE/Customs to be able to "un-resolve" domain names under other TLDs and country codes. Since the USA does not have jurisdiction over Russia (as an example), there is no current way to block a filesharing or spammer operating with a .ru address without having a partnership with Russia. This aspect of SOPA would allow the USA Government to block all domain name servers from resolving that address properly, by basically poisoning the legitimate DNS entry with one that resolves to some landing page operated by ICE. They won't be able to seize the domain, but they'll make it just as worthless to anyone inside the USA.

vidarh 15y ago

What matters is whether or not the operator of the TLD is within US jurisdiction, not the purpose of the TLD.

bmj 15y ago
So, in that case, the FBI could seize any domain as long as the operator is within US jurisdiction?
- tristanperry 15y ago
  Yep, pretty much. Not exactly fair, but that's the current 'system'..
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  Yes.
- vidarh 15y ago
  Yes, and be aware the operation of a lot of ccTLD's are outsourced to companies outside the country in question. I don't know that much about how many are or aren't operated out of the US, but most of the generic TLD's are, and several ccTLD's definitively are too - for example .tv and .cc are operated by Verisign, and .co is operated by Neustar.

larrys 15y ago

You're right. Anything governed by ICANN. And I'm not agreeing or disagreeing about the control issue just pointing out the for example .org .us .info etc. would be in the same boat.