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More than Steam / Proton / Steam Deck?

• pjmlp 4y ago
  Yes, why bother when they emulate Windows APIs.
  • awill 4y ago
    Proton isn’t perfect, and works much better on Windows Vulkan games vs Windows DirectX. So even windows developers are choosing vulkan just to ensure better compatibility.
    • pjmlp 4y ago
      Numbers? Still looking forward how long it will stay relevant, specially with everyone and their dog releasing portable PC and Android handhelds. LG and Asus are arriving this year. Then there is the whole Geoforce Now and XBox Cloud, where those DirectX games can be streamed everywhere.
      • hedora 4y ago
        https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Software-Survey-Welcome-to-Steam https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/Steam-Hardware-Softw... (Edit: GeForce Now apparently runs fewer of my steam games than Linux. Certain games detect and block it. Same with android, but for different reasons.)
        • pjmlp 4y ago
          Where does it assert AAA game studios are replacing DirectX with Vulkan?
      • BuckRogers 4y ago
        Your posts have always been so clear minded, and well-informed. If there were a way to follow a user on HN, you would be one of the few if not the only person on that list for me. Every post I see from you, it’s clear you’re informed on the market, you know how everything works, and you are very rarely wrong. I just wanted to say that in my opinion having used HN for many years, you’re in the top 1% of users for contributions. I think you would be successful as some sort of IT and business analyst. Or maybe a blog or YouTube channel commenting on industry events.
    • hedora 4y ago
      Unless something drastic changed since Windows 8, Proton DirectX also works better than Windows DirectX. (At least on my collection of games ranging from the mid-1990's to 2022.)
      • seba_dos1 4y ago
        Nothing changed. I'm not much of a gamer, yet I have encountered a couple of Windows games that don't run on modern Windows very well but can be played flawlessly under Wine myself.
        • EamonnMR 4y ago
          I've been running into this since the 00s.
          • pjmlp 4y ago
            Usually caused by clever programming tricks using undocumented APIs.
• nazgulsenpai 4y ago
  Proton uses DXVK to translate DirectX calls to Vulkan. I don't know if that counts as adoption, but its still the resultant API of Windows games running in Proton.
• ribit 4y ago
  I would almost view Proton as a risk factor for Vulkan as it discourages the devs to use cross-platform approaches. Much easier to write only for Windows and let Proton folks to figure out the compatibility problems. This also results in Vulkan losing initiative and being forced to closely follow DX. I’m a bit worried that the way things are Vulkan is going to become “that API libraries use to emulate DX12 on Linux”…
  • cma 4y ago
    Vulkan works on Windows too though, so you can still write for Windows only, get support for both platforms through proton, and use Vulkan. And as a bonus you then work on Android if you do a bit of porting work later on, which can now support desktop shading models with Vulkan, while with a sufficiently old Direct X it may only let you more easily target Windows Phone...
    • pjmlp 4y ago
      As a bonus it might work on Android, if you got the extension soup exactly right, and mostly care about flagship phones. https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards