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Does he mean that there are facts about who values what? And people value different facts more or less (i.e. economics of information)? Also we should stop tal

Does he mean that there are facts about who values what? And people value different facts more or less (i.e. economics of information)? Also we should stop talking about facts as truth and instead assume we always mean "provisional facts" with differing degrees of certainty. Digressing just a bit, I feel that facts and values aren't of the same type in the same way that electrons and protons kind of aren't atoms (the exceptions make the analogy somewhat richer). That is somehow maybe values compose to form provisional facts like terms compose along with a copula to form propositions. This also lends itself to the notion that there should be a third category that is more often than not helpful to emphasize. This would be something analogous to argument in logic or chemical reaction in chemistry. Lastly this makes me wonder about the relation between explanatory, imperative and declarative sentences and also dependent clauses which I imagine people have commented on. (I imagine none of this is new)

Helmut10001 4y ago
I think it is a bit confusingly formulated in the article. Facts in the common sense are objectively measured "information", whereas values are akin to facts in that they represent the objective truth perceived by people. That could be a single person's truth, as everyone has a certain way for seeing the world; or (as the authors argues), a number of other people share this view - this is when subjective observations become society values, norms etc. Therefore, by being shared by many people, values can become comparable to objective facts. I would argue they are still a different type, albeit no less or more important.
PikachuEXE 4y ago
> Also we should stop talking about facts as truth and instead assume we always mean "provisional facts" with differing degrees of certainty. Just providing related references here Phrase: "I know that I know nothing" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing - https://betterhumans.pub/i-know-that-i-know-nothing-is-the-only-true-wisdom-c1844eee564c https://betterhumans.pub/i-know-that-i-know-nothing-is-the-o... Search using the keyword if you want more sources/related content 2nd ref above also contains another quote worth mentioning here: "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" Note that the phrase is originally from Latin so it might not be translated very accurately

Helmut10001 4y ago

I think it is a bit confusingly formulated in the article. Facts in the common sense are objectively measured "information", whereas values are akin to facts in that they represent the objective truth perceived by people. That could be a single person's truth, as everyone has a certain way for seeing the world; or (as the authors argues), a number of other people share this view - this is when subjective observations become society values, norms etc. Therefore, by being shared by many people, values can become comparable to objective facts. I would argue they are still a different type, albeit no less or more important.

PikachuEXE 4y ago

> Also we should stop talking about facts as truth and instead assume we always mean "provisional facts" with differing degrees of certainty. Just providing related references here Phrase: "I know that I know nothing" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_that_I_know_nothing - https://betterhumans.pub/i-know-that-i-know-nothing-is-the-only-true-wisdom-c1844eee564c https://betterhumans.pub/i-know-that-i-know-nothing-is-the-o... Search using the keyword if you want more sources/related content 2nd ref above also contains another quote worth mentioning here: "The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge" Note that the phrase is originally from Latin so it might not be translated very accurately