5 ms·

Isn't this less than Boston dynamics had in 2008?

systemvoltage 4y ago
Yes, but they did it in 8 months with a completely different approach. BD spun off of MIT leg laboratory as an academic research project with different goals, methods and formalisms. Here is Dave Jones talking about how cool it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbQ3nudCA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbQ3nudCA0 If you want actual engineering inspiration and positivity, HN isn't the place anymore. You'll mostly find cynicism.
- shapefrog 4y ago
  > HN isn't the place anymore. You'll mostly find cynicism That is such a cynical take I am not sure where to start.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Yeah you’re right, there is some of it but when it comes to anything that slightly disturbs the political bias; cynicism prevails.
  - deleted 4y ago
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- sschueller 4y ago
  "Yes, but they did it in 8 months with a completely different approach." These engineers do not work in a vacuum and you can not state that all that BD and others have done since 2008 hasn't moved the overall field forward.
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Wait… I didn’t say or imply that at all. I think BD is amazing.
- tluyben2 4y ago
  > You'll mostly find cynicism. There is a lot of optimism here that is misplaced actually. Many people here believe we will do things soon with ai and medicine etc that won’t be possible for a very long time, but there we go. I find it refreshing to have the cynical views instead of the dreamy eyed ‘oh Elon’ stare. The guy has a reality distortion lens, but not like steve jobs; Elon seems to actually believe that the endgoal already exists in the products he is selling or building now. It’s a take I know well from software development; we started something basic, ‘a few steps’ are needed and then we have a revolutionary product so we talk about the last part only (aka Vaporware) as if it’s real. The team actually believes it like it already happened or will happen any second, even though the development will take years still. It is very dangerous in a lot of situation, especially when it is not actually known if it’s possible at all in the current setting (like fully autonomous cars).
  - mise_en_place 4y ago
    It’s easy to predict things with the benefit of hindsight. Not very useful though. I’m willing to make the prediction that Elon will succeed in the consumer robotics space where others have failed. The exact time it will take is largely irrelevant. Tesla has the vertical integration to eventually make a consumer robot.
    - hndamien 4y ago
      Also, for the record, my bet is that Tesla will succeed with the first mass produced useful humanoid robot.
    - microtherion 4y ago
      > Tesla has the vertical integration to eventually make a consumer robot. As in "management unscrupulous enough to release an overpriced, unsafe, half baked product and adoring followers gullible enough to pay for it". In that sense, they truly ARE "leveraging their FSD expertise in a new product space".
- mitjam 4y ago
  Where do you look for engineering inspiration and positivity on the internet?
  - systemvoltage 4y ago
    Mostly on YouTube. Reading old magazines (byte, popular electronics). Startup podcasts. Talking to my friends, throwing ideas around. Visiting museums.
- evgen 4y ago
  > If you want actual engineering inspiration and positivity, HN isn't the place anymore. You'll mostly find cynicism. You are confusing a lack of gullibility with cynicism. At this point Mush has spouted off so much bullshit that one would have to be a complete moron to take anything he says at face value. Given prior Musk claims it is more likely that what was on display was more remote-controlled animatronic than actual independent robot.

Yes, but they did it in 8 months with a completely different approach. BD spun off of MIT leg laboratory as an academic research project with different goals, methods and formalisms. Here is Dave Jones talking about how cool it was: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbQ3nudCA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIbQ3nudCA0 If you want actual engineering inspiration and positivity, HN isn't the place anymore. You'll mostly find cynicism.

shapefrog 4y ago
> HN isn't the place anymore. You'll mostly find cynicism That is such a cynical take I am not sure where to start.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Yeah you’re right, there is some of it but when it comes to anything that slightly disturbs the political bias; cynicism prevails.
- deleted 4y ago
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sschueller 4y ago
"Yes, but they did it in 8 months with a completely different approach." These engineers do not work in a vacuum and you can not state that all that BD and others have done since 2008 hasn't moved the overall field forward.
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Wait… I didn’t say or imply that at all. I think BD is amazing.
tluyben2 4y ago
> You'll mostly find cynicism. There is a lot of optimism here that is misplaced actually. Many people here believe we will do things soon with ai and medicine etc that won’t be possible for a very long time, but there we go. I find it refreshing to have the cynical views instead of the dreamy eyed ‘oh Elon’ stare. The guy has a reality distortion lens, but not like steve jobs; Elon seems to actually believe that the endgoal already exists in the products he is selling or building now. It’s a take I know well from software development; we started something basic, ‘a few steps’ are needed and then we have a revolutionary product so we talk about the last part only (aka Vaporware) as if it’s real. The team actually believes it like it already happened or will happen any second, even though the development will take years still. It is very dangerous in a lot of situation, especially when it is not actually known if it’s possible at all in the current setting (like fully autonomous cars).
- mise_en_place 4y ago
  It’s easy to predict things with the benefit of hindsight. Not very useful though. I’m willing to make the prediction that Elon will succeed in the consumer robotics space where others have failed. The exact time it will take is largely irrelevant. Tesla has the vertical integration to eventually make a consumer robot.
  - hndamien 4y ago
    Also, for the record, my bet is that Tesla will succeed with the first mass produced useful humanoid robot.
  - microtherion 4y ago
    > Tesla has the vertical integration to eventually make a consumer robot. As in "management unscrupulous enough to release an overpriced, unsafe, half baked product and adoring followers gullible enough to pay for it". In that sense, they truly ARE "leveraging their FSD expertise in a new product space".
mitjam 4y ago
Where do you look for engineering inspiration and positivity on the internet?
- systemvoltage 4y ago
  Mostly on YouTube. Reading old magazines (byte, popular electronics). Startup podcasts. Talking to my friends, throwing ideas around. Visiting museums.
evgen 4y ago
> If you want actual engineering inspiration and positivity, HN isn't the place anymore. You'll mostly find cynicism. You are confusing a lack of gullibility with cynicism. At this point Mush has spouted off so much bullshit that one would have to be a complete moron to take anything he says at face value. Given prior Musk claims it is more likely that what was on display was more remote-controlled animatronic than actual independent robot.