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Why would it be a problem to deport criminal foreigners? And if you think Switzerland is hard to get into, try to get into Denmark.

by danssig 15y ago

tedunangst 15y ago
Because what usually happens (or what makes people angry anyway) is that someone who's been living in the country for ten years gets deported because of a shoplifting offense also committed ten years ago. Violates the principle of no ex post facto laws.
- danssig 15y ago
  Any citations on that? I've heard people claim that but in actual practice I believe it's only used against career criminals. The issue I've heard complained about is that if there is a career criminal dad, he can cause the whole family to end up getting deported (though I'm not sure that one is true either).
mhd 15y ago
Do you still have to properly pronounce "rødgrød med fløde"? The problem isn't deportation per se (which lots of states have), but the specific bill. First of all, it made it automatic deportation, is likely to conflict with international and EU law and references a few crimes by names that aren't the proper legal terms. IANAL and this is from memory, but it went a bit over the top for most people not on the far right. And the campaign for the referendum was quite on the fear-mongering side, if not a outright racist. I think right now it's still in a state of flux. It passed, but the legal bodies now have to properly determine for which crimes it really applies. Might take a few years yet. People aren't used to GOP-candidate-level craziness from the Swiss… (It barely passed, and was generally rejected by the French-speaking part of Switzerland. I blame the German grammar, it seems to create some kind of envy against every nationality who don't have to learn that many cases, genders etc.)
- danssig 15y ago
  >Do you still have to properly pronounce "rødgrød med fløde"? I've never been to Denmark myself, I just have several friends from there who complained about how hard it was to get in. Apparently even marrying a Dane isn't enough to stay there if you're not from the EU. >And the campaign for the referendum was quite on the fear-mongering side, if not a outright racist. Oh for sure. The SVP posters have been really awful for a while but I think it's starting to backfire with the public, so hopefully that will stop. >People aren't used to GOP-candidate-level craziness from the Swiss… That's a bit of an exaggeration. The SVP gets pretty dirty from time to time but the GOP is a caricature of a right-wing fringe group. >I blame the German grammar, it seems to create some kind of envy against every nationality who don't have to learn that many cases, genders etc. Keep in mind that Switzerland has the highest "auslander" percentage of any western European country. That's going to create a big of backlash.

Why would it be a problem to deport criminal foreigners? And if you think Switzerland is hard to get into, try to get into Denmark.

by danssig 15y ago

Why would it be a problem to deport criminal foreigners? And if you think Switzerland is hard to get into, try to get into Denmark.

tedunangst 15y ago

Because what usually happens (or what makes people angry anyway) is that someone who's been living in the country for ten years gets deported because of a shoplifting offense also committed ten years ago. Violates the principle of no ex post facto laws.

danssig 15y ago
Any citations on that? I've heard people claim that but in actual practice I believe it's only used against career criminals. The issue I've heard complained about is that if there is a career criminal dad, he can cause the whole family to end up getting deported (though I'm not sure that one is true either).

mhd 15y ago

Do you still have to properly pronounce "rødgrød med fløde"? The problem isn't deportation per se (which lots of states have), but the specific bill. First of all, it made it automatic deportation, is likely to conflict with international and EU law and references a few crimes by names that aren't the proper legal terms. IANAL and this is from memory, but it went a bit over the top for most people not on the far right. And the campaign for the referendum was quite on the fear-mongering side, if not a outright racist. I think right now it's still in a state of flux. It passed, but the legal bodies now have to properly determine for which crimes it really applies. Might take a few years yet. People aren't used to GOP-candidate-level craziness from the Swiss… (It barely passed, and was generally rejected by the French-speaking part of Switzerland. I blame the German grammar, it seems to create some kind of envy against every nationality who don't have to learn that many cases, genders etc.)

danssig 15y ago
>Do you still have to properly pronounce "rødgrød med fløde"? I've never been to Denmark myself, I just have several friends from there who complained about how hard it was to get in. Apparently even marrying a Dane isn't enough to stay there if you're not from the EU. >And the campaign for the referendum was quite on the fear-mongering side, if not a outright racist. Oh for sure. The SVP posters have been really awful for a while but I think it's starting to backfire with the public, so hopefully that will stop. >People aren't used to GOP-candidate-level craziness from the Swiss… That's a bit of an exaggeration. The SVP gets pretty dirty from time to time but the GOP is a caricature of a right-wing fringe group. >I blame the German grammar, it seems to create some kind of envy against every nationality who don't have to learn that many cases, genders etc. Keep in mind that Switzerland has the highest "auslander" percentage of any western European country. That's going to create a big of backlash.