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> Are MMORPGs not games? Yes. I've never played one, but from what I can tell it's like a forum where you go on with an identity and form clubs with people and

> Are MMORPGs not games? Yes. I've never played one, but from what I can tell it's like a forum where you go on with an identity and form clubs with people and chat about stuff, then you play some wonky subgame for 1 minute in that 3 hour session, then you go press a bunch of buttons to gamble for virtual prizes, etc.

akerl_ 4y ago
Do… you know what an MMORPG is? Some hints: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_game https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online...
- dbttdft 4y ago
  Yeah, the subgame is the PVP. But that's rare and requires players to play for thousands of hours to get to whatever level and probably is like an RPG but with worse mechanics because the devs spend most of their time adding new items and currencies and other things peripheral to the game But thanks for the downvote, you really got me there.
llanowarelves 4y ago
I upvoted you and here's why. I've played lots of MMOs when I was younger and it's always the same: the "game" doesnt really start until you hit the "endgame" (usually near max level with decent gear). Until that point, you are often grinding and doing daily events, like a job. And we often joke that once we get there: "Finally, I get to play the game". Then there's fear of missing out with seasonal or other limited-time awards etc. which " forces" you to play when you don't want to. Jonathan Blow has written about why this isn't fun game design. And those are some reasons why despite having played a lot of these, I agree with the pithy comment that they aren't games.
- dbttdft 4y ago
  Yeah I was excited about the idea of MMO back in 2000 when my friends told me about one they played. Then realized they're all scams (and do not even have any MMO element; You can't actually have a bunch of players fighting and when you do it just lags and bugs) and dodged that bullet.

akerl_ 4y ago

Do… you know what an MMORPG is? Some hints: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_game https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online...

dbttdft 4y ago
Yeah, the subgame is the PVP. But that's rare and requires players to play for thousands of hours to get to whatever level and probably is like an RPG but with worse mechanics because the devs spend most of their time adding new items and currencies and other things peripheral to the game But thanks for the downvote, you really got me there.

llanowarelves 4y ago

I upvoted you and here's why. I've played lots of MMOs when I was younger and it's always the same: the "game" doesnt really start until you hit the "endgame" (usually near max level with decent gear). Until that point, you are often grinding and doing daily events, like a job. And we often joke that once we get there: "Finally, I get to play the game". Then there's fear of missing out with seasonal or other limited-time awards etc. which " forces" you to play when you don't want to. Jonathan Blow has written about why this isn't fun game design. And those are some reasons why despite having played a lot of these, I agree with the pithy comment that they aren't games.

dbttdft 4y ago
Yeah I was excited about the idea of MMO back in 2000 when my friends told me about one they played. Then realized they're all scams (and do not even have any MMO element; You can't actually have a bunch of players fighting and when you do it just lags and bugs) and dodged that bullet.