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Really? Most people? I cannot think of anyone from my family who would even think about it for a second - they would just get annoyed they can't get to their ba

Really? Most people? I cannot think of anyone from my family who would even think about it for a second - they would just get annoyed they can't get to their bank website or whatever and just click continue. Also what tech support? Me?

elcomet 4y ago
But now there is no button "continue", you have to click multiple buttons, which are not clearly labelled, in order to see the page. I'm sure 90% of people would not even be aware that you are able to continue. Even more, for self-signed certificate on chrome, there is no button to continue for example. Check https://self-signed.badssl.com/ https://self-signed.badssl.com/
- gambiting 4y ago
  In your example, all I had to do was click advanced then proceed(Chrome on Android)
  - elcomet 4y ago
    Ok, on chrome desktop there is no way to bypass the security
    - not2b 4y ago
      Yes, there is. I often have to use it to deal with some internal misconfigured site inside the corporate intranet (the cause is almost always that a certificate has expired, when it isn't it's because a host can be reached with two names and the cert matches only one of them, but that case can be fixed by using the proper URL). I have no trouble telling chrome desktop to bypass.
      - not2b 4y ago
        ... and I always read the details before proceeding (finding out what chrome's problem with the cert is).
      - elcomet 4y ago
        For some type of errors it is possible, for some other it isn't. Check the badssl website and test the various type of bad certs, you'll see.
sbierwagen 4y ago
HSTS cannot be overridden. Which bank domain names are you thinking of that are not one of the twelve thousand names on the HSTS preload list? https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:net/http/transport_security_state_static.json https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:net...
- LtWorf 4y ago
  I tried 5 banks (swedish and italian). None of them are in the list. I feel safer now :D :D :D handelsbanken.se danskebank.se unicredit.it fideuram.it sella.it
  - sbierwagen 4y ago
    handelsbanken.se is on line 163144. (I was a little bit off on the length of the list before) unicredit.it is not on the list, but unicredit.ba and unicredit.ro are. (Lines 7331 and 7332) It does send HSTS headers. danskebank.se and sella.it are not in the file, nor are the base strings, but both sites do send HSTS headers. fideuram.it is not on the list, and does not send HSTS headers, so they don't seem particularly interested in security. They also haven't set an A record for the root domain, so visiting `fideuram.it` returns NXDOMAIN. Only `www.fideuram.it` exists.
    - LtWorf 4y ago
      So this shows that your statement about the security of hsts headers was overblown?
      - sbierwagen 4y ago
        You got me. I wildly overestimated the competence of Eurobanks. I'll never make the mistake of assuming an institution knows what it's doing again.
        LtWorf 4y ago
        fideuram removed the phisical tokens for 2fa and moved to SMS, saying that it was because of some european directive… I went to read the directive. It basically said to not use sms and avoid apps in favour of dedicated 2fa devices for banking.
shepherdjerred 4y ago
From my experience working as on-campus tech support in college, most people who aren't tech savvy will quickly give up or look to someone else for help. They will likely not think to click Advanced -> Continue Anyway (unless they have been taught to do that before). Tech support comes in many forms. The owner of the website, a friend who knows about computers, someone else in the workplace, the vendor they purchased their laptop from.

elcomet 4y ago

But now there is no button "continue", you have to click multiple buttons, which are not clearly labelled, in order to see the page. I'm sure 90% of people would not even be aware that you are able to continue. Even more, for self-signed certificate on chrome, there is no button to continue for example. Check https://self-signed.badssl.com/ https://self-signed.badssl.com/

gambiting 4y ago
In your example, all I had to do was click advanced then proceed(Chrome on Android)
- elcomet 4y ago
  Ok, on chrome desktop there is no way to bypass the security
  - not2b 4y ago
    Yes, there is. I often have to use it to deal with some internal misconfigured site inside the corporate intranet (the cause is almost always that a certificate has expired, when it isn't it's because a host can be reached with two names and the cert matches only one of them, but that case can be fixed by using the proper URL). I have no trouble telling chrome desktop to bypass.
    - not2b 4y ago
      ... and I always read the details before proceeding (finding out what chrome's problem with the cert is).
    - elcomet 4y ago
      For some type of errors it is possible, for some other it isn't. Check the badssl website and test the various type of bad certs, you'll see.

sbierwagen 4y ago

HSTS cannot be overridden. Which bank domain names are you thinking of that are not one of the twelve thousand names on the HSTS preload list? https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:net/http/transport_security_state_static.json https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/main:net...

LtWorf 4y ago
I tried 5 banks (swedish and italian). None of them are in the list. I feel safer now :D :D :D handelsbanken.se danskebank.se unicredit.it fideuram.it sella.it
- sbierwagen 4y ago
  handelsbanken.se is on line 163144. (I was a little bit off on the length of the list before) unicredit.it is not on the list, but unicredit.ba and unicredit.ro are. (Lines 7331 and 7332) It does send HSTS headers. danskebank.se and sella.it are not in the file, nor are the base strings, but both sites do send HSTS headers. fideuram.it is not on the list, and does not send HSTS headers, so they don't seem particularly interested in security. They also haven't set an A record for the root domain, so visiting `fideuram.it` returns NXDOMAIN. Only `www.fideuram.it` exists.
  - LtWorf 4y ago
    So this shows that your statement about the security of hsts headers was overblown?
    - sbierwagen 4y ago
      You got me. I wildly overestimated the competence of Eurobanks. I'll never make the mistake of assuming an institution knows what it's doing again.
      - LtWorf 4y ago
        fideuram removed the phisical tokens for 2fa and moved to SMS, saying that it was because of some european directive… I went to read the directive. It basically said to not use sms and avoid apps in favour of dedicated 2fa devices for banking.

shepherdjerred 4y ago

From my experience working as on-campus tech support in college, most people who aren't tech savvy will quickly give up or look to someone else for help. They will likely not think to click Advanced -> Continue Anyway (unless they have been taught to do that before). Tech support comes in many forms. The owner of the website, a friend who knows about computers, someone else in the workplace, the vendor they purchased their laptop from.