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You don't get to have it both ways. Either it is acceptable to question the results of an election or it is not. Either it is acceptable to try to alter the ou

You don't get to have it both ways. Either it is acceptable to question the results of an election or it is not. Either it is acceptable to try to alter the outcome (such as through a campaign to suborn electors to cause them to be faithless) or it is not. "It's only wrong when they do it" is not a legitimate viewpoint, and nobody espousing it is worthy of being heard.

encryptluks2 4y ago
No one said it is wrong to question the results of the election, but trying to overturn the election through force is domestic terrorism and only one candidate is guilty of sponsoring that behavior.
- freedude 4y ago
  "No one said it is wrong to question the results of the election" This is actually a lie. Many have claimed this on both sides of the fence.
  - encryptluks2 4y ago
    I meant here in this thread. You can also find people on both sides that are murderers, but that doesn't meant they represent the majority.
- thunky 4y ago
  > trying to overturn the election through force I've not seen this discussed so let me ask: how was this supposed to work? Wikipedia says: They sought to keep Trump in power by preventing a joint session of Congress from counting the electoral college votes to formalize the victory of President-elect Joe Biden For how long? I mean wouldn't this only delay the inevitable? How could it have actually overturned the election?
ThunderSizzle 4y ago
The results of every election is questionable, and should be proven to not be questionable. Especially in the US, when it's been shown time and time again that Americans are not to be trusted by the government, via: * TSA checks, * clear bags at games, * weapon bans in government buildings, even when cops carry firearms, * required tax reporting followed by threats of audits * police stops for driving no faster than the police * ID requirements for voting, drinking, etc. * disclosure of all banking and stock information Perhaps this is warranted, or some of it is. But the government has also proven itself untrustworthy: * congress making millions while in office from various deals, donations, and lobbying * president assuming more authority than constitution permits * senate not passing a budget for over a decade * continuing resolutions that bring in tons of special interests to fund the government for a couple of weeks or months * lack of increased members of the House, causing power concentrating in a handful of Representatives. * abandoning US military hardware and allies in a foreign country to fend for themselves at the cost of human lives and billions of dollars * weaponized audits by the IRS and political decisions to investigate by the FBI. Yeah, the government deserves to be blindly trusted.
PopAlongKid 4y ago
> Either it is acceptable to question the results of an election or it is not. > the [Russian interference in 2016] has been confirmed by multiple investigations, including one by the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee It's one thing to question the results, that is always OK. It's quite another to outright reject the factual answers that follow, when there is no credible evidence that Trump's 2nd loss of the popular vote was due to voter fraud.

encryptluks2 4y ago

No one said it is wrong to question the results of the election, but trying to overturn the election through force is domestic terrorism and only one candidate is guilty of sponsoring that behavior.

freedude 4y ago
"No one said it is wrong to question the results of the election" This is actually a lie. Many have claimed this on both sides of the fence.
- encryptluks2 4y ago
  I meant here in this thread. You can also find people on both sides that are murderers, but that doesn't meant they represent the majority.
thunky 4y ago
> trying to overturn the election through force I've not seen this discussed so let me ask: how was this supposed to work? Wikipedia says: They sought to keep Trump in power by preventing a joint session of Congress from counting the electoral college votes to formalize the victory of President-elect Joe Biden For how long? I mean wouldn't this only delay the inevitable? How could it have actually overturned the election?

ThunderSizzle 4y ago

The results of every election is questionable, and should be proven to not be questionable. Especially in the US, when it's been shown time and time again that Americans are not to be trusted by the government, via: * TSA checks, * clear bags at games, * weapon bans in government buildings, even when cops carry firearms, * required tax reporting followed by threats of audits * police stops for driving no faster than the police * ID requirements for voting, drinking, etc. * disclosure of all banking and stock information Perhaps this is warranted, or some of it is. But the government has also proven itself untrustworthy: * congress making millions while in office from various deals, donations, and lobbying * president assuming more authority than constitution permits * senate not passing a budget for over a decade * continuing resolutions that bring in tons of special interests to fund the government for a couple of weeks or months * lack of increased members of the House, causing power concentrating in a handful of Representatives. * abandoning US military hardware and allies in a foreign country to fend for themselves at the cost of human lives and billions of dollars * weaponized audits by the IRS and political decisions to investigate by the FBI. Yeah, the government deserves to be blindly trusted.

PopAlongKid 4y ago

> Either it is acceptable to question the results of an election or it is not. > the [Russian interference in 2016] has been confirmed by multiple investigations, including one by the bi-partisan Senate Intelligence Committee It's one thing to question the results, that is always OK. It's quite another to outright reject the factual answers that follow, when there is no credible evidence that Trump's 2nd loss of the popular vote was due to voter fraud.