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> The thing is, most parents wouldn't even think "Oh, you'll need to do that in my name." I certainly wouldn't think that, as it sounds like horrible idea. Yo

> The thing is, most parents wouldn't even think "Oh, you'll need to do that in my name." I certainly wouldn't think that, as it sounds like horrible idea. Your teenage child posts one picture of themselves in a compromising situation, and suddenly you're lost all access to your accounts for the rest of your life. I'll pass, thanks. And, yes, I get the "educate your children" thing.. but children do stupid things. Heck, an adult lost their gmail account forever because the sent a picture of their child to their doctor; one the doctor asked for.

f1shy 4y ago
Or let me put it this way: if I would be judged with that severity for all stupid things I did, I would be in guantanamo.
- sophacles 4y ago
  I suspect that there's enough of us that it would be more economical to relocate Australians and revert the continent to a penal colony.
  - that_guy_iain 4y ago
    I'm pretty sure half of the folk in tech at some point did illegal tech things in their teens. Rebelling and breaking the law in your teens is kind of normal and should be expected in my opinion.
    - usr1106 4y ago
      Right. I physically broke into my high school to make a copy of the Commodore diskette station manual. We students had only access to PET casette tape readers. Cybercrime was not a thing yet.
autoexec 4y ago
> Heck, an adult lost their gmail account forever because the sent a picture of their child to their doctor; one the doctor asked for. All the bad press didn't sort that out? That kind of thing shouldn't happen in the first place, but we can usually expect that once it hits headlines some PR drone swoops in to fix the issue.
- RHSeeger 4y ago
  Certainly not everyone that this type of thing happens to gets front page attention. I don't know that it ever got resolved but, even if it did, the "I was able to convince tends of thousands of people to talk about my issue until someone paid attention" is not a reasonable process to go through. Even in the best case, he lost access to his accounts for an unreasonable amount of time. If he used the same account for business, that could be financially disastrous.
- handedness 4y ago
  That's a definition of the word "fix" with which I am unfamiliar. He still doesn't have access to his accounts. If a sympathetic police department had not offered to navigate the (likely complex) process of restoring their copy of his data to him, he would have little hope of recovering the data, either. (My hat's off to whomever made that decision, because my guess is other considerations would almost always prevail.) If federal investigators had not been quite so favorable in recognizing the nature of the situation, that component alone could have easily ruined him. I'm also unaware of what his legal and other professional fees have been in all this, but I would imagine Google has done nothing to reimburse him for his expenses, much less compensate him for the time wasted and incredible stress that had to place on him and his family. Beyond all that, getting SEO bombed as being potentially involved in the production and distribution CSAM is not a positive outcome for anyone who values their privacy or wants to ever have a normal interaction with a new employer or any other entity that may search his name. Beyond that, those who regularly fill out official forms relating to background and behavior will forever have to answer some questions differently and jump through the additional hoops an experience like that would trigger. His outcome has been one of the least-terrible possibilities, but I hope he sues Google in a very public and embarrassing way, because whatever damages are awarded will be a rounding error to them. Finally, the process itself is by no indications anything but still completely broken. Your suggested "fix" is anything but.
that_guy_iain 4y ago
Maybe don't have the account that is linked to their adsense linked to anything but their adsense? Seems completely insane to link an adsense account you created for your child to anything but what it needs to be used for adsense. Honestly, if you're making money from something you should have it away from your personal things. Just like how you shouldn't have AWS activated for your main amazon account.

f1shy 4y ago

Or let me put it this way: if I would be judged with that severity for all stupid things I did, I would be in guantanamo.

sophacles 4y ago
I suspect that there's enough of us that it would be more economical to relocate Australians and revert the continent to a penal colony.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  I'm pretty sure half of the folk in tech at some point did illegal tech things in their teens. Rebelling and breaking the law in your teens is kind of normal and should be expected in my opinion.
  - usr1106 4y ago
    Right. I physically broke into my high school to make a copy of the Commodore diskette station manual. We students had only access to PET casette tape readers. Cybercrime was not a thing yet.

autoexec 4y ago

> Heck, an adult lost their gmail account forever because the sent a picture of their child to their doctor; one the doctor asked for. All the bad press didn't sort that out? That kind of thing shouldn't happen in the first place, but we can usually expect that once it hits headlines some PR drone swoops in to fix the issue.

RHSeeger 4y ago
Certainly not everyone that this type of thing happens to gets front page attention. I don't know that it ever got resolved but, even if it did, the "I was able to convince tends of thousands of people to talk about my issue until someone paid attention" is not a reasonable process to go through. Even in the best case, he lost access to his accounts for an unreasonable amount of time. If he used the same account for business, that could be financially disastrous.
handedness 4y ago
That's a definition of the word "fix" with which I am unfamiliar. He still doesn't have access to his accounts. If a sympathetic police department had not offered to navigate the (likely complex) process of restoring their copy of his data to him, he would have little hope of recovering the data, either. (My hat's off to whomever made that decision, because my guess is other considerations would almost always prevail.) If federal investigators had not been quite so favorable in recognizing the nature of the situation, that component alone could have easily ruined him. I'm also unaware of what his legal and other professional fees have been in all this, but I would imagine Google has done nothing to reimburse him for his expenses, much less compensate him for the time wasted and incredible stress that had to place on him and his family. Beyond all that, getting SEO bombed as being potentially involved in the production and distribution CSAM is not a positive outcome for anyone who values their privacy or wants to ever have a normal interaction with a new employer or any other entity that may search his name. Beyond that, those who regularly fill out official forms relating to background and behavior will forever have to answer some questions differently and jump through the additional hoops an experience like that would trigger. His outcome has been one of the least-terrible possibilities, but I hope he sues Google in a very public and embarrassing way, because whatever damages are awarded will be a rounding error to them. Finally, the process itself is by no indications anything but still completely broken. Your suggested "fix" is anything but.

that_guy_iain 4y ago

Maybe don't have the account that is linked to their adsense linked to anything but their adsense? Seems completely insane to link an adsense account you created for your child to anything but what it needs to be used for adsense. Honestly, if you're making money from something you should have it away from your personal things. Just like how you shouldn't have AWS activated for your main amazon account.