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Good. We need to dismantle the tools that can be used to oppress the masses.

by tb_technical 4y ago

deltree7 4y ago
Do you have evidence that this tool is used to oppress masses in the US?
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Do you accept that facial recognition can be used to oppress the masses in the US?
  - deltree7 4y ago
    Again where is the evidence? Except manufactured imaginary persecution by HNers?
- donatj 4y ago
  The qualification was "can be", not "is". I think it's pretty self-evident that it can be.
  - deltree7 4y ago
    It is not. We have a great judicial system and technology has always favored innocent to prove their innocence rather than it's absence. More Technology => More Evidence => More chance of acquittal of the innocent. Technology also helps deter and catch crime It's really sad that these psuedo-privacy and soft-on-crime policies are destroying America far greater than imaginary oppression dreamed up by privileged white sitting comfortably in their homes with cushy jobs.
    - donatj 4y ago
      > We have a great judicial system and technology has always favored innocent to prove their innocence rather than it's absence. None of this has been true for a very long time. Wrongly accused almost always take a plea deal these days. If you don't have money for a fancy lawyer, you're almost certainly taking a plea deal whether you did it or not. This is spoken like someone who has never had any dealings with police or the legal system. All that said, I don't know what any of that has to do with my original comment. OP said > We need to dismantle the tools that can be used to oppress the masses and you replied > Do you have evidence that this tool is used to oppress masses in the US? can be was the original qualifier. Is doesn't matter. Can be matters. You don't give a baby a loaded gun and then say "but is it currently shooting you?". There's no logical argument that a government could not possibly under any circumstance be physically capable of misusing this, so "It is not" is false.
- infamouscow 4y ago
  Empirical evidence isn't necessary for politicians to make decisions. This has been true since the time of the Greeks and applies to every politician in every party, without exception.
- tb_technical 4y ago
  Donatj is on point. I'm wary of government power and want to destroy tools that can be used to oppress people.
- NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
  A lot of the things that came with the Patriot act have been used predominantly to arrest drug dealers.
  - deltree7 4y ago
    You mean people breaking the law were arrested and the crime rate of US was rapidly declining? Sure, we can't have that, right? What we want is smash-and-grab, locked-down-shops, rampant crime. But hey most of the HNers are sitting at their comfortable suburban home with cushy jobs. None of this affects them, only imaginary persecution of them
    - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago

Good. We need to dismantle the tools that can be used to oppress the masses.

deltree7 4y ago

Do you have evidence that this tool is used to oppress masses in the US?

pessimizer 4y ago
Do you accept that facial recognition can be used to oppress the masses in the US?
- deltree7 4y ago
  Again where is the evidence? Except manufactured imaginary persecution by HNers?
donatj 4y ago
The qualification was "can be", not "is". I think it's pretty self-evident that it can be.
- deltree7 4y ago
  It is not. We have a great judicial system and technology has always favored innocent to prove their innocence rather than it's absence. More Technology => More Evidence => More chance of acquittal of the innocent. Technology also helps deter and catch crime It's really sad that these psuedo-privacy and soft-on-crime policies are destroying America far greater than imaginary oppression dreamed up by privileged white sitting comfortably in their homes with cushy jobs.
  - donatj 4y ago
    > We have a great judicial system and technology has always favored innocent to prove their innocence rather than it's absence. None of this has been true for a very long time. Wrongly accused almost always take a plea deal these days. If you don't have money for a fancy lawyer, you're almost certainly taking a plea deal whether you did it or not. This is spoken like someone who has never had any dealings with police or the legal system. All that said, I don't know what any of that has to do with my original comment. OP said > We need to dismantle the tools that can be used to oppress the masses and you replied > Do you have evidence that this tool is used to oppress masses in the US? can be was the original qualifier. Is doesn't matter. Can be matters. You don't give a baby a loaded gun and then say "but is it currently shooting you?". There's no logical argument that a government could not possibly under any circumstance be physically capable of misusing this, so "It is not" is false.
infamouscow 4y ago
Empirical evidence isn't necessary for politicians to make decisions. This has been true since the time of the Greeks and applies to every politician in every party, without exception.
tb_technical 4y ago
Donatj is on point. I'm wary of government power and want to destroy tools that can be used to oppress people.
NaturalPhallacy 4y ago
A lot of the things that came with the Patriot act have been used predominantly to arrest drug dealers.
- deltree7 4y ago
  You mean people breaking the law were arrested and the crime rate of US was rapidly declining? Sure, we can't have that, right? What we want is smash-and-grab, locked-down-shops, rampant crime. But hey most of the HNers are sitting at their comfortable suburban home with cushy jobs. None of this affects them, only imaginary persecution of them
  - NaturalPhallacy 4y ago