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Your isp is legally resident in the country most likely to want to spy on you. There are also very few isps per country, so it's less work for the attacker to c

Your isp is legally resident in the country most likely to want to spy on you. There are also very few isps per country, so it's less work for the attacker to cover everyone they care about. There are vast numbers of vpns, so total coverage is impossible. They are also very likely to be in a different legal jurisdiction so it's non trivial to do. So, yes, you have, by making yourself a harder target despite having the same amount of centralisation on your part

xani_ 4y ago
Same with most VPN providers. Just expands the search from "ask ISP" to "ask ISP, they tell government its a VPN company, ask VPN company". Now, sure, they could "just" delete logs, but their government can "just" tell them not to, or even tell them to live send the logs to them directly. So it's really "which country's government you trust".
- zepearl 4y ago
  Adding that in general a country's law (data protection/privacy in this context) usually targets its own citizens; traffic related to foreign citizens (as in the case of VPNs) would for sure have a lower degree of protection.
- travoltaj 4y ago
  There's quite a few VPNs who have been asked to keep logs by the authorities but the VPN providers contest it in court, and since their jurisdiction laws don't need them to, the courts side with the VPN providers. Mullad, OVPN are a couple. What are your opinions on those? Not every country has laws like USA/India, which give the government free reign by citing certain Acts.
simplyinfinity 4y ago
my country has between 3 and 20 isp's per city. of a country of 7 million.
- psd1 4y ago
  I assume they are just resellers, buying bulk data from a big carrier. Is that the case?
  - ripdog 4y ago
    IDK about simplyinfinity, but here in NZ, the last mile of internet infrastructure (the fibre from homes to the exchange) is owned by regulated companies which must lease access to them at set rates or lower, and mustn't act as ISPs. As such, we have dozens of ISPs with their own backend infrastructure, all sharing the same last-mile, and most available nation-wide. That said, they're all going to be buying transit from a big backbone ISP to get overseas connectivity.

xani_ 4y ago

Same with most VPN providers. Just expands the search from "ask ISP" to "ask ISP, they tell government its a VPN company, ask VPN company". Now, sure, they could "just" delete logs, but their government can "just" tell them not to, or even tell them to live send the logs to them directly. So it's really "which country's government you trust".

zepearl 4y ago
Adding that in general a country's law (data protection/privacy in this context) usually targets its own citizens; traffic related to foreign citizens (as in the case of VPNs) would for sure have a lower degree of protection.
travoltaj 4y ago
There's quite a few VPNs who have been asked to keep logs by the authorities but the VPN providers contest it in court, and since their jurisdiction laws don't need them to, the courts side with the VPN providers. Mullad, OVPN are a couple. What are your opinions on those? Not every country has laws like USA/India, which give the government free reign by citing certain Acts.

simplyinfinity 4y ago

my country has between 3 and 20 isp's per city. of a country of 7 million.

psd1 4y ago
I assume they are just resellers, buying bulk data from a big carrier. Is that the case?
- ripdog 4y ago
  IDK about simplyinfinity, but here in NZ, the last mile of internet infrastructure (the fibre from homes to the exchange) is owned by regulated companies which must lease access to them at set rates or lower, and mustn't act as ISPs. As such, we have dozens of ISPs with their own backend infrastructure, all sharing the same last-mile, and most available nation-wide. That said, they're all going to be buying transit from a big backbone ISP to get overseas connectivity.