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(citation needed - that’s not actually implemented in china at scale, though it’s a convenient talking point in the west)

challenger-derp 4y ago
> that's not actually implemented That's my understanding as well. > it's a convenient talking point in the west When online comments get worked up about The Social Credit System, a key thing I believe they're trying to do is spread awareness of how disturbing it is that a government is even considering such a thing that, as we understand it, is closely related to being a core technology in an authoritarian dystopia. While it's not implemented at scale, the unnerving fact is that govt policy makers did a careful enough take on a social credit system to decide that it was worthwhile investing (probably non-trivial amounts of ) money and resources into exploring it and did eventually reach a point where they were a handful of steps short of wide-scale implementation.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Ok. If we’re talking speculative planning, the US also considers bringing privatized credit score system under government control instead, the very thing OP is criticizing. I have no problem with criticizing authorities but the us vs them look how much worse it is in red china god bless our freedoms here angle is tired bootlicking too
egberts1 4y ago
It is called 社会信用体系 . Try and keep up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  Try and read. Where exactly does it say it’s ever progressed beyond trials and announcements ie implemented at scale - oh it doesn’t
  - egberts1 4y ago
    seek and ye shall find https://nhglobalpartners.com/china-social-credit-system-explained/ https://nhglobalpartners.com/china-social-credit-system-expl...
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      thank you. the most specific citation I could find in your link was this, regarding the 80% rollout statistic: >As of December 2020, more than 80 percent of all the provinces, autonomous regions, and municipal cities had issued or were preparing to issue local credit laws and regulations.
      - egberts1 4y ago
        I’m quite sure they are trying to automate this as well.
        wahnfrieden 4y ago
        your citation still doesn't say much, just that most are at least still "preparing" or have rolled out a limited pilot, which is what I said originally
        egberts1 4y ago
        https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expands https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expan...
        egberts1 4y ago
        And https://safeguarddefenders.com/sites/default/files/pdf/110%20Overseas%20%282%29.pdf https://safeguarddefenders.com/sites/default/files/pdf/110%2...

challenger-derp 4y ago

> that's not actually implemented That's my understanding as well. > it's a convenient talking point in the west When online comments get worked up about The Social Credit System, a key thing I believe they're trying to do is spread awareness of how disturbing it is that a government is even considering such a thing that, as we understand it, is closely related to being a core technology in an authoritarian dystopia. While it's not implemented at scale, the unnerving fact is that govt policy makers did a careful enough take on a social credit system to decide that it was worthwhile investing (probably non-trivial amounts of ) money and resources into exploring it and did eventually reach a point where they were a handful of steps short of wide-scale implementation.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
Ok. If we’re talking speculative planning, the US also considers bringing privatized credit score system under government control instead, the very thing OP is criticizing. I have no problem with criticizing authorities but the us vs them look how much worse it is in red china god bless our freedoms here angle is tired bootlicking too

egberts1 4y ago

It is called 社会信用体系 . Try and keep up. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

wahnfrieden 4y ago
Try and read. Where exactly does it say it’s ever progressed beyond trials and announcements ie implemented at scale - oh it doesn’t
- egberts1 4y ago
  seek and ye shall find https://nhglobalpartners.com/china-social-credit-system-explained/ https://nhglobalpartners.com/china-social-credit-system-expl...
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    thank you. the most specific citation I could find in your link was this, regarding the 80% rollout statistic: >As of December 2020, more than 80 percent of all the provinces, autonomous regions, and municipal cities had issued or were preparing to issue local credit laws and regulations.
    - egberts1 4y ago
      I’m quite sure they are trying to automate this as well.
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        your citation still doesn't say much, just that most are at least still "preparing" or have rolled out a limited pilot, which is what I said originally
        egberts1 4y ago
        https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expands https://safeguarddefenders.com/en/blog/230000-policing-expan...
        egberts1 4y ago
        And https://safeguarddefenders.com/sites/default/files/pdf/110%20Overseas%20%282%29.pdf https://safeguarddefenders.com/sites/default/files/pdf/110%2...