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This is a low cost to pay if someday we can live in a world where there are American/EU chain stores on every corner of Kyiv.

ahtihn 4y ago
Why? Why should the average EU citizen care what kind of stores are in Ukraine? I very much do not want to sacrifice even the tiniest bit of quality of life because of whatever happens in Ukraine. I still do not understand what is so special about that country compared to all the other countries in which terrible things are happening.
- type0 4y ago
  > I very much do not want to sacrifice even the tiniest bit of quality of life because of whatever happens in Ukraine. Then move to Hungary, Orban promised that people there won't sacrifice anything.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  I think the OP was being sarcastic. They're saying this is more about EU/USA business interests and using Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia than any type of actual humanitarian aid.
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- PoignardAzur 4y ago
  - It has shared borders with EU countries. - Ex-USSR countries in the EU understandably feel a little touchy about Russia claiming a natural right to invade an ex-USSR country. - In many countries where horrible things are happening, the horrible things are internal and the result of civil war or a corrupt government. In many cases it's doubtful that outside intervention would help. In the case of Ukraine, it's pretty straightforward: other country invades -> we send lots of tanks for Ukraine to defend itself -> other country is repealed -> Ukraine is not being invaded anymore -> things have improved. > I very much do not want to sacrifice even the tiniest bit of quality of life because of whatever happens in Ukraine. Obviously people who disagree outnumber you. Telling them "No! You're wrong! Don't you see the wisdom of my cynicism?" is not going to budge anybody at this point.
- rnk 4y ago
  I can't believe you even said such a sad thing out load. You don't care what happens to others if your own sad self can keep getting all the food you want and live the good life. The world is connected, Ukraine is a tipping point to Russia slowly taking over democratic countries one by one. Europeans probably care a lot because it's europe and they don't want a war in europe, they are close to Russia. It also sends the signal to China about what we'd do when they feel tempted to attack Taiwan. Even if you are being cynical about the many wars going on and mistreatment of people, one should be against those too as a moral thing.
  - supergirl 4y ago
    > Ukraine > democratic let me guess, democracy started in Ukraine after ousting the "elected" pro-Russian president and "electing" a pro-Western president?

ahtihn 4y ago

Why? Why should the average EU citizen care what kind of stores are in Ukraine? I very much do not want to sacrifice even the tiniest bit of quality of life because of whatever happens in Ukraine. I still do not understand what is so special about that country compared to all the other countries in which terrible things are happening.

type0 4y ago
> I very much do not want to sacrifice even the tiniest bit of quality of life because of whatever happens in Ukraine. Then move to Hungary, Orban promised that people there won't sacrifice anything.
nemo44x 4y ago
I think the OP was being sarcastic. They're saying this is more about EU/USA business interests and using Ukraine as a proxy to fight Russia than any type of actual humanitarian aid.
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PoignardAzur 4y ago
- It has shared borders with EU countries. - Ex-USSR countries in the EU understandably feel a little touchy about Russia claiming a natural right to invade an ex-USSR country. - In many countries where horrible things are happening, the horrible things are internal and the result of civil war or a corrupt government. In many cases it's doubtful that outside intervention would help. In the case of Ukraine, it's pretty straightforward: other country invades -> we send lots of tanks for Ukraine to defend itself -> other country is repealed -> Ukraine is not being invaded anymore -> things have improved. > I very much do not want to sacrifice even the tiniest bit of quality of life because of whatever happens in Ukraine. Obviously people who disagree outnumber you. Telling them "No! You're wrong! Don't you see the wisdom of my cynicism?" is not going to budge anybody at this point.
rnk 4y ago
I can't believe you even said such a sad thing out load. You don't care what happens to others if your own sad self can keep getting all the food you want and live the good life. The world is connected, Ukraine is a tipping point to Russia slowly taking over democratic countries one by one. Europeans probably care a lot because it's europe and they don't want a war in europe, they are close to Russia. It also sends the signal to China about what we'd do when they feel tempted to attack Taiwan. Even if you are being cynical about the many wars going on and mistreatment of people, one should be against those too as a moral thing.
- supergirl 4y ago
  > Ukraine > democratic let me guess, democracy started in Ukraine after ousting the "elected" pro-Russian president and "electing" a pro-Western president?