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Or maybe THIS is exactly how propaganda works, swapping between the connotations and denotations of words when it's politically convenient to. It's also clear

Or maybe THIS is exactly how propaganda works, swapping between the connotations and denotations of words when it's politically convenient to. It's also clear to me if the president had an R next to his name, both sides of the "Are we in a recession?" debate would swap entirely.

nzealand 4y ago
Who debated the 2020 recession? It didn't have two quarters of real GDP growth, but it did have massive job losses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_Unit...
- fullshark 4y ago
  Well I just found Paul Krugman writing about the "COVID-19 Recession" here on april 30: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/economy-stock-market-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/economy-stock-mar... Looked at national review, can't even find an article about the subject; https://www.google.com/search?q=recession+site:nationalreview.com&tbs=sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2020,cd_max:5/1/2020&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALiCzsZCusalFgjnP-DNhW-9KQ1YgyZfYw:1664568970424&ei=ik43Y7K8GcmA0PEPhYKhyAI&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiyqb7Rqr36AhVJADQIHQVBCCk4ChDx0wN6BAgBEDw&biw=1440&bih=764&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?q=recession+site:nationalrevie... Everyone was preoccupied with other questions mostly at that time, and a lot of the debate was if policy X was too costly economically, more so than "are we in a recession?"
  - nzealand 4y ago
    Krugman didn't debate recession semantics. My point is, if you are going to claim we are in a recession now, to be intellectually consistent, you also have to claim that 2020 wasn't one of the shortest and sharpest recessions ever in history...
    - fullshark 4y ago
      Oh i thought you were curious, to test my theory with people on the left and right that are fighting now over it what they used to say. I looked at Krugman because he's a major figure on the left saying we aren't (or weren't 2 months ago) in a recession https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/07/29/paul-krugman-recession-is-a-matter-of-definition/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/07/29/paul-... I just looked and National Review even wrote this on the subject at the time - https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/recession-are-we-there-yet/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/recession-are-we-there... so maybe I need a better representative for the right and left to measure intellectual consistency. IDK I'm not that interested in finding partisan hacks in the online debate on the subject. I will say just looking around, observing metrics and being told this isn't a recession the country is going through right now seems absurd.
TobyTheDog123 4y ago
"Accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of"
- kbelder 4y ago
  "Yes, exactly"

nzealand 4y ago

Who debated the 2020 recession? It didn't have two quarters of real GDP growth, but it did have massive job losses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_Unit...

fullshark 4y ago
Well I just found Paul Krugman writing about the "COVID-19 Recession" here on april 30: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/economy-stock-market-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/opinion/economy-stock-mar... Looked at national review, can't even find an article about the subject; https://www.google.com/search?q=recession+site:nationalreview.com&tbs=sbd:1,cdr:1,cd_min:1/1/2020,cd_max:5/1/2020&tbm=nws&sxsrf=ALiCzsZCusalFgjnP-DNhW-9KQ1YgyZfYw:1664568970424&ei=ik43Y7K8GcmA0PEPhYKhyAI&start=0&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiyqb7Rqr36AhVJADQIHQVBCCk4ChDx0wN6BAgBEDw&biw=1440&bih=764&dpr=2 https://www.google.com/search?q=recession+site:nationalrevie... Everyone was preoccupied with other questions mostly at that time, and a lot of the debate was if policy X was too costly economically, more so than "are we in a recession?"
- nzealand 4y ago
  Krugman didn't debate recession semantics. My point is, if you are going to claim we are in a recession now, to be intellectually consistent, you also have to claim that 2020 wasn't one of the shortest and sharpest recessions ever in history...
  - fullshark 4y ago
    Oh i thought you were curious, to test my theory with people on the left and right that are fighting now over it what they used to say. I looked at Krugman because he's a major figure on the left saying we aren't (or weren't 2 months ago) in a recession https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/07/29/paul-krugman-recession-is-a-matter-of-definition/ https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/2022/07/29/paul-... I just looked and National Review even wrote this on the subject at the time - https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/recession-are-we-there-yet/ https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/recession-are-we-there... so maybe I need a better representative for the right and left to measure intellectual consistency. IDK I'm not that interested in finding partisan hacks in the online debate on the subject. I will say just looking around, observing metrics and being told this isn't a recession the country is going through right now seems absurd.

TobyTheDog123 4y ago

"Accuse your enemy of that which you are guilty of"

kbelder 4y ago
"Yes, exactly"