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The "fun" begins. I don't think that Ukrainians will stop so we'll have to see how Russia will react when they start taking it back. Quite a time to be alive,

by _V_ 4y ago

The "fun" begins. I don't think that Ukrainians will stop so we'll have to see how Russia will react when they start taking it back. Quite a time to be alive, eh?

ugjka 4y ago
There's lot of chatter that Putin might start to use tactical nuclear weapons. Would be pretty crazy
- f1shy 4y ago
  If he continues to "loose" is the only thing he can do.
- polishdude20 4y ago
  Currently in Europe visiting family. My flight back is in a month. Wondering if I should be flying back sooner...
f1shy 4y ago
This: Russian senator Konstantin Kosachev warned that after the referendums, "protecting people in this region will not be our right, but our duty. An attack on people and territories will be an attack on Russia. With all the consequences." Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov did not rule out the use of nuclear weapons to defend annexed Ukrainian territories. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in...
- Victerius 4y ago
  If Russia uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, NATO will deliver a crippling response, as Jake Sullivan has said. There is no realistic scenario where Russia wins or holds on to its gains.
  - Animatronio 4y ago
    The problem is NATO keeps delivering crippling responses, but Russia has not backed down yet. I wonder what is the appropriate response to a tactical nuke. Hopefully not another one.
    - cmurf 4y ago
      Even if it doesn't go nuclear, millions can die. See the 2nd Congo War for a recent example, 5.4 million excess deaths due to disease and starvation. The loss of life for combatants in that war is less than the total in Russia-Ukraine so far. Putin isn't even the worst guy in the regime. The least bloody outcome would be a Russian revolution but I think that's asking for a lot of luck and hope. For a world that's ignored the risk of having nuclear weapons, we may now unwittingly be stuck in a trap in which using them is unavoidable. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han...
    - totony 4y ago
      The only real deterrent to nuclear use is being serious about retaliations imo. I think a very strong statement such as "using nuclear weapons against whoever will be seen as a declaration of war against us" is necessary. Countries actively avoid proliferating nuclear power because of the existing powers. Letting them be used against you is a strong signal and will weaken trust. It will become even more of an arms race.
  - bionsystem 4y ago
    That's the point, he won't use it """against Ukraine""" but to """defend Russian territory""".
  - yucky 4y ago
    Oh yes, I definitely want a neoocon warhawk like Jake Sullivan in charge of deciding if we descend into nuclear Armageddon.

by _V_ 4y ago

The "fun" begins. I don't think that Ukrainians will stop so we'll have to see how Russia will react when they start taking it back. Quite a time to be alive, eh?

ugjka 4y ago

There's lot of chatter that Putin might start to use tactical nuclear weapons. Would be pretty crazy

f1shy 4y ago
If he continues to "loose" is the only thing he can do.
polishdude20 4y ago
Currently in Europe visiting family. My flight back is in a month. Wondering if I should be flying back sooner...

f1shy 4y ago

This: Russian senator Konstantin Kosachev warned that after the referendums, "protecting people in this region will not be our right, but our duty. An attack on people and territories will be an attack on Russia. With all the consequences." Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov did not rule out the use of nuclear weapons to defend annexed Ukrainian territories. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in...

Victerius 4y ago
If Russia uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, NATO will deliver a crippling response, as Jake Sullivan has said. There is no realistic scenario where Russia wins or holds on to its gains.
- Animatronio 4y ago
  The problem is NATO keeps delivering crippling responses, but Russia has not backed down yet. I wonder what is the appropriate response to a tactical nuke. Hopefully not another one.
  - cmurf 4y ago
    Even if it doesn't go nuclear, millions can die. See the 2nd Congo War for a recent example, 5.4 million excess deaths due to disease and starvation. The loss of life for combatants in that war is less than the total in Russia-Ukraine so far. Putin isn't even the worst guy in the regime. The least bloody outcome would be a Russian revolution but I think that's asking for a lot of luck and hope. For a world that's ignored the risk of having nuclear weapons, we may now unwittingly be stuck in a trap in which using them is unavoidable. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han...
  - totony 4y ago
    The only real deterrent to nuclear use is being serious about retaliations imo. I think a very strong statement such as "using nuclear weapons against whoever will be seen as a declaration of war against us" is necessary. Countries actively avoid proliferating nuclear power because of the existing powers. Letting them be used against you is a strong signal and will weaken trust. It will become even more of an arms race.
- bionsystem 4y ago
  That's the point, he won't use it """against Ukraine""" but to """defend Russian territory""".
- yucky 4y ago
  Oh yes, I definitely want a neoocon warhawk like Jake Sullivan in charge of deciding if we descend into nuclear Armageddon.