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Putin announces annexation of Ukrainian land, Europe's largest since WWII

27 points by _V_ 4y ago

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_V_ 4y ago
The "fun" begins. I don't think that Ukrainians will stop so we'll have to see how Russia will react when they start taking it back. Quite a time to be alive, eh?
- ugjka 4y ago
  There's lot of chatter that Putin might start to use tactical nuclear weapons. Would be pretty crazy
  - f1shy 4y ago
    If he continues to "loose" is the only thing he can do.
  - polishdude20 4y ago
    Currently in Europe visiting family. My flight back is in a month. Wondering if I should be flying back sooner...
- f1shy 4y ago
  This: Russian senator Konstantin Kosachev warned that after the referendums, "protecting people in this region will not be our right, but our duty. An attack on people and territories will be an attack on Russia. With all the consequences." Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov did not rule out the use of nuclear weapons to defend annexed Ukrainian territories. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in...
  - Victerius 4y ago
    If Russia uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, NATO will deliver a crippling response, as Jake Sullivan has said. There is no realistic scenario where Russia wins or holds on to its gains.
    - Animatronio 4y ago
      The problem is NATO keeps delivering crippling responses, but Russia has not backed down yet. I wonder what is the appropriate response to a tactical nuke. Hopefully not another one.
      - cmurf 4y ago
        Even if it doesn't go nuclear, millions can die. See the 2nd Congo War for a recent example, 5.4 million excess deaths due to disease and starvation. The loss of life for combatants in that war is less than the total in Russia-Ukraine so far. Putin isn't even the worst guy in the regime. The least bloody outcome would be a Russian revolution but I think that's asking for a lot of luck and hope. For a world that's ignored the risk of having nuclear weapons, we may now unwittingly be stuck in a trap in which using them is unavoidable. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han...
      - totony 4y ago
        The only real deterrent to nuclear use is being serious about retaliations imo. I think a very strong statement such as "using nuclear weapons against whoever will be seen as a declaration of war against us" is necessary. Countries actively avoid proliferating nuclear power because of the existing powers. Letting them be used against you is a strong signal and will weaken trust. It will become even more of an arms race.
    - bionsystem 4y ago
      That's the point, he won't use it """against Ukraine""" but to """defend Russian territory""".
    - 4y ago
mamonster 4y ago
The random segment about transgenders felt really out of place. I wonder where the speechwriters get their materials from. The other interesting part is that he quite clearly accused USA/UK of bombing NS1+2, which I guess is now the Russian state position on the matter
- stoltzmann 4y ago
  It's just a laundry list of 'pick an argument against the West'. Every part of their public can find a part of the speech to agree with.
- paganel 4y ago
  > The random segment about transgenders felt really out of place It's really something that we actively discuss in these parts of the world (Eastern Europe), it's a "civilisational" topic that most of us (the majority, I would say) actively care about. Yes, many of us (the majority, I would say) are not ok with "parent 1/parent 2" instead of "mother" and "father", we are also not ok with kids as young as 7 or 8 years of age being taught about gender change, we are not ok with kids younger than 18 being allowed to take irreversible hormonal meds in order to transition. And seeing as this is also a "civilisational" war I don't see how that statement was out of place, quite the contrary.
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Is this one of those "actual majority" situations or one of those "vocal minority get's mixed up and thinks they are a majority" cases? I'm asking because typically when I see majority claims, far too often it is the later.
  - _V_ 4y ago
    I honestly don't care about that at all. Noone I know really cares about that so I would say the "majority" really depends on your social bubble :-) Right now I care whether we will get nuked. Everything else is a worry for a later day.
  - Animatronio 4y ago
jonnycomputer 4y ago
Putin, go fuck yourself.
- guilhas 4y ago
  Biden and paid for, Zelensky, go fuck yourselves.
  - jonnycomputer 4y ago
    Bucha
- grnmamba 4y ago
  That'll show him the next time he opens HN!
  - jonnycomputer 4y ago
    He's a regular, if you didn't know. Even get's daily summaries when he's too busy to read it himself.
  - jonnycomputer 4y ago
    Also, sometimes things just need to be said. As a matter of principle. Enough bad things to worry about without nuclear catastrophe to sustain one man's ego to add to them. So, Putin, fuck off.

27 points by _V_ 4y ago

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_V_ 4y ago

The "fun" begins. I don't think that Ukrainians will stop so we'll have to see how Russia will react when they start taking it back. Quite a time to be alive, eh?

ugjka 4y ago
There's lot of chatter that Putin might start to use tactical nuclear weapons. Would be pretty crazy
- f1shy 4y ago
  If he continues to "loose" is the only thing he can do.
- polishdude20 4y ago
  Currently in Europe visiting family. My flight back is in a month. Wondering if I should be flying back sooner...
f1shy 4y ago
This: Russian senator Konstantin Kosachev warned that after the referendums, "protecting people in this region will not be our right, but our duty. An attack on people and territories will be an attack on Russia. With all the consequences." Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov did not rule out the use of nuclear weapons to defend annexed Ukrainian territories. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in...
- Victerius 4y ago
  If Russia uses nuclear weapons against Ukraine, NATO will deliver a crippling response, as Jake Sullivan has said. There is no realistic scenario where Russia wins or holds on to its gains.
  - Animatronio 4y ago
    The problem is NATO keeps delivering crippling responses, but Russia has not backed down yet. I wonder what is the appropriate response to a tactical nuke. Hopefully not another one.
    - cmurf 4y ago
      Even if it doesn't go nuclear, millions can die. See the 2nd Congo War for a recent example, 5.4 million excess deaths due to disease and starvation. The loss of life for combatants in that war is less than the total in Russia-Ukraine so far. Putin isn't even the worst guy in the regime. The least bloody outcome would be a Russian revolution but I think that's asking for a lot of luck and hope. For a world that's ignored the risk of having nuclear weapons, we may now unwittingly be stuck in a trap in which using them is unavoidable. https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-handbook/ https://human-rights.cmc.edu/2022/04/14/russias-genocide-han...
    - totony 4y ago
      The only real deterrent to nuclear use is being serious about retaliations imo. I think a very strong statement such as "using nuclear weapons against whoever will be seen as a declaration of war against us" is necessary. Countries actively avoid proliferating nuclear power because of the existing powers. Letting them be used against you is a strong signal and will weaken trust. It will become even more of an arms race.
  - bionsystem 4y ago
    That's the point, he won't use it """against Ukraine""" but to """defend Russian territory""".
  - 4y ago

mamonster 4y ago

The random segment about transgenders felt really out of place. I wonder where the speechwriters get their materials from. The other interesting part is that he quite clearly accused USA/UK of bombing NS1+2, which I guess is now the Russian state position on the matter

stoltzmann 4y ago
It's just a laundry list of 'pick an argument against the West'. Every part of their public can find a part of the speech to agree with.
paganel 4y ago
> The random segment about transgenders felt really out of place It's really something that we actively discuss in these parts of the world (Eastern Europe), it's a "civilisational" topic that most of us (the majority, I would say) actively care about. Yes, many of us (the majority, I would say) are not ok with "parent 1/parent 2" instead of "mother" and "father", we are also not ok with kids as young as 7 or 8 years of age being taught about gender change, we are not ok with kids younger than 18 being allowed to take irreversible hormonal meds in order to transition. And seeing as this is also a "civilisational" war I don't see how that statement was out of place, quite the contrary.
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Is this one of those "actual majority" situations or one of those "vocal minority get's mixed up and thinks they are a majority" cases? I'm asking because typically when I see majority claims, far too often it is the later.
- _V_ 4y ago
  I honestly don't care about that at all. Noone I know really cares about that so I would say the "majority" really depends on your social bubble :-) Right now I care whether we will get nuked. Everything else is a worry for a later day.
- Animatronio 4y ago

jonnycomputer 4y ago

Putin, go fuck yourself.

guilhas 4y ago
Biden and paid for, Zelensky, go fuck yourselves.
- jonnycomputer 4y ago
  Bucha
grnmamba 4y ago
That'll show him the next time he opens HN!
- jonnycomputer 4y ago
  He's a regular, if you didn't know. Even get's daily summaries when he's too busy to read it himself.
- jonnycomputer 4y ago
  Also, sometimes things just need to be said. As a matter of principle. Enough bad things to worry about without nuclear catastrophe to sustain one man's ego to add to them. So, Putin, fuck off.