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New York state to adopt California 2035 EV rules

23 points by clouddrover 4y ago

PM_me_your_math 4y ago
Nobody elected her yet she is making unpopular and impractical moves. This easily back fires on her come election day for simple facts: there isn't enough electricity nor materials for several million electric cars in NYS. It takes 20 years to repave a road in New York state. They going to replace the whole electric grid in 13?
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  This definitely isn't impractical. If anything it's a little unambitious. But that's fine, around the world people are in a haze of misinformation so these rules get put in place and then slowly tightened and brought forward as people realise it's not such a big deal.
- mywittyname 4y ago
  America historically grew the grid at a much faster pace than we need to in order to accommodate EVs over the next decade. The only reason the grid stopped growing was because Energy Star regulations on appliances were so successful, that electricity use plateaued despite population growth. Electricity demand is the easiest aspect of the EV transition to deal with. Plus, you're ignoring the fact that this only calls for 48% of a manufacture's fleet to be EV. 20% can be plug-in hybrids and the rest may be whatever. That's less aggressive than many manufactures are pushing for internally.
  - landemva 4y ago
    Energy supply is straightforward and solvable. I would like to see disposal regulations created now, or at least the costs of disposal built in to purchase price. Same for smartphone disposal: battery + electronic disposal.
  - Justsignedup 4y ago
    To add: it is a forcing function. We have 13 years to prepare for it. Without a deadline nothing will happen.
- namelessoracle 4y ago
  New York will never go Republican. No matter what she does. If she gets the boot its going to be from internal politics of her party. Alot of social engineering has gone to insure that New York will stay Democrat. To the point of trying to give votes to non citizens.
hersko 4y ago
This is a terrible idea. As of 2019, NY has the largest percentage of people living in apartments vs houses [1]. Are you going to force apartment complex/building owners to install enough chargers for all the cars? How will this work for places like NYC were people mostly use street parking, are you going to force them to spend 40 min at a public charging station to refill their car? Governments limiting consumer choices on such a broad scale is almost always a bad idea IMO. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/798113/share-of-population-living-apartments-by-state-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/798113/share-of-populati...
- dpkirchner 4y ago
  It's my understanding that they're not requiring BEV and thus won't require adding any chargers. Gas/EV hybrids are also an option.
  - sempron64 4y ago
    Per the article they are limited to 20% of the total market, which seems like it may not be enough.
    - dpkirchner 4y ago
      I overlooked that, thanks.
- wbsss4412 4y ago
  I’ve owned a BEV for over a year and can’t charge at home. I rely on workplace + public charging. It’s been pretty great honestly. You don’t have to spend 40 minutes at a charger either. That only happens if you want to go from empty to full. That’s bringing a gas tank mindset to a completely different paradigm. You charge when you can for how much you need at the time and you’re fine.
  - sempron64 4y ago
    There can't be sufficient public charging in NYC in 2035. Most cars are parked on the street and parking lots where chargers could be installed are scant. Those who have to commute to work by car usually park on the street. NYC is the (slim) majority of NY State's population and a large chunk of the vehicle fleet. That said I could imagine a scenario where private parking garages become de-facto gas stations.

23 points by clouddrover 4y ago

Nobody elected her yet she is making unpopular and impractical moves. This easily back fires on her come election day for simple facts: there isn't enough electricity nor materials for several million electric cars in NYS. It takes 20 years to repave a road in New York state. They going to replace the whole electric grid in 13?

ZeroGravitas 4y ago
This definitely isn't impractical. If anything it's a little unambitious. But that's fine, around the world people are in a haze of misinformation so these rules get put in place and then slowly tightened and brought forward as people realise it's not such a big deal.
mywittyname 4y ago
America historically grew the grid at a much faster pace than we need to in order to accommodate EVs over the next decade. The only reason the grid stopped growing was because Energy Star regulations on appliances were so successful, that electricity use plateaued despite population growth. Electricity demand is the easiest aspect of the EV transition to deal with. Plus, you're ignoring the fact that this only calls for 48% of a manufacture's fleet to be EV. 20% can be plug-in hybrids and the rest may be whatever. That's less aggressive than many manufactures are pushing for internally.
- landemva 4y ago
  Energy supply is straightforward and solvable. I would like to see disposal regulations created now, or at least the costs of disposal built in to purchase price. Same for smartphone disposal: battery + electronic disposal.
- Justsignedup 4y ago
  To add: it is a forcing function. We have 13 years to prepare for it. Without a deadline nothing will happen.
namelessoracle 4y ago
New York will never go Republican. No matter what she does. If she gets the boot its going to be from internal politics of her party. Alot of social engineering has gone to insure that New York will stay Democrat. To the point of trying to give votes to non citizens.

hersko 4y ago

This is a terrible idea. As of 2019, NY has the largest percentage of people living in apartments vs houses [1]. Are you going to force apartment complex/building owners to install enough chargers for all the cars? How will this work for places like NYC were people mostly use street parking, are you going to force them to spend 40 min at a public charging station to refill their car? Governments limiting consumer choices on such a broad scale is almost always a bad idea IMO. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/798113/share-of-population-living-apartments-by-state-usa/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/798113/share-of-populati...

dpkirchner 4y ago
It's my understanding that they're not requiring BEV and thus won't require adding any chargers. Gas/EV hybrids are also an option.
- sempron64 4y ago
  Per the article they are limited to 20% of the total market, which seems like it may not be enough.
  - dpkirchner 4y ago
    I overlooked that, thanks.
wbsss4412 4y ago
I’ve owned a BEV for over a year and can’t charge at home. I rely on workplace + public charging. It’s been pretty great honestly. You don’t have to spend 40 minutes at a charger either. That only happens if you want to go from empty to full. That’s bringing a gas tank mindset to a completely different paradigm. You charge when you can for how much you need at the time and you’re fine.
- sempron64 4y ago
  There can't be sufficient public charging in NYC in 2035. Most cars are parked on the street and parking lots where chargers could be installed are scant. Those who have to commute to work by car usually park on the street. NYC is the (slim) majority of NY State's population and a large chunk of the vehicle fleet. That said I could imagine a scenario where private parking garages become de-facto gas stations.