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When you hear Musk being interviewed you'd certainly have to believe otherwise, he definitely claims he is the brains behind a lot of innovation.

feet 4y ago
That's hilarious, because for someone with a literal degree in physics he doesn't seem to understand the physics at all
- Huh1337 4y ago
  Can you provide some examples?
  - feet 4y ago
    The most prominent is the hyperloop. The energy needed to maintain the vacuum entirely cancels out, and possibly adds some, energy savings from reduced friction. Plus the speed gained would be negligible compared to a well designed atmospheric bullet train. It adds cost, complexity, and energy usage for literally no reason
    - Huh1337 4y ago
      I never heard anybody claim that Hyperloop vacuum tunnels were about energy savings. Hyperloop is about replacing air travel with an alternative that could offer similar or higher speeds. If you want to go 1000+ km/h (or multiples) reducing friction is a requirement and definitely not because of energy savings but because the vehicle would heat up and/or break, and then of course the turbulence and noise.
      - feet 4y ago
        So which designs have gotten close to a significant increase over normal atmospheric bullet trains? That's addressed in my comment
        Huh1337 4y ago
        Well maglevs are not used today exactly because of this issue - going past 600 km/h is dangerous - causes noise and turbulence affects the train too much, so it makes sense to venture in another direction, such as maglevs but in tunnels. What's addressed in your comment? You didn't show any other alternative offering speeds like Hyperloop, in theory, could. Not sure what you mean by your question about "which designs" - well, Hyperloop. Or do you expect me to hand you a finished project? It's just started. Even bullet trains took decades to get from proposal to project to finished.
  - mavhc 4y ago
    He thought you could return a rocket from space and have it land vertically
    - rocqua 4y ago
      And then, he returned a rocket from space and had it land vertically. Heck he's doing it consistently, and even synchronized on occasion. Musk is a flawed dude, but the physics behind space-x aren't his weak point.
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      - bamboozled 4y ago
        He did none of that single-handedly though. Thousands, maybe millions of ours of man hours went into making all that happen. What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently. I don't care, I just don't think it's a good quality and I think longer term, it will probably lead to him having lower performing teams and people around him.
        xedeon 4y ago
        > What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently I'm not sure if you're being facetious here. There are countless examples that exhibit the contrary. Here is one as recent as a few days ago: https://youtu.be/goT5gW57Chc?t=190 https://youtu.be/goT5gW57Chc?t=190 Below are a few (out of many others) prior examples: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1051591623069429760 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1051591623069429760 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960
        bamboozled 4y ago
        See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone they respect me more than a rich person isn’t very flattering. Look I think you just like Elon Musk a lot. I don’t mind him either, I just know almost all of his success is built on the back of a lot of hard working individuals, which I think is pretty hidden behind a dude in XXXL T-shirts
- icare_1er 4y ago
  I don't find it hilarious. It is rather sad that stupid people who know nothing about physics, end up billionaires through tech companies/innocations, while physics genius like you remain anonymous on the internet.
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  - feet 4y ago
    Ah yes, money. The most important metric by which we must judge all people and ideas
  - Huh1337 4y ago
    Can you be more specific? You're talking about a guy who was able to make a company that returned a booster 14 times back to Earth. Physicists and engineers that tried before him couldn't make it. Not even John Carmack could. How come Musk is so stupid if he's done it when others couldn't? (yes I know he's not the engineer turning the bolts on the rocket. There's incredible value in good management and leadership, though - and for that you need to know a lot about what you're doing. )
    - icare_1er 4y ago
      I think you didn't get the sarcasm in my comment...
      - Huh1337 4y ago
        Since so many people say this completely seriously, it was rather invisible to me. Sorry about that.
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kspacewalk2 4y ago
That's because he is the brains behind a lot of innovation. If you're looking for companies which had plenty of technical talent but no one of his calibre providing a coherent and technically sound vision, there's a whole graveyard of e.g. private space companies out there, and a hospice full of ones that will inevitably end up in the ground soon.
- bamboozled 4y ago
  I personally see that as his role in society, just like someone else in the companies role might be to grind 50 hours a week on making some shit telemtry service for rocket engine computers to send data too. Some of it might be luck, some jobs are more desirable, but it's just how I see things. I think we're arguing whether or not "greatness" exists or is more something we invent, a mental construct. I personally think it's more of an illusion and some people are just "lucky" there job is to set a vision while others jobs seem more rudimentary...one can't exist without the other. The rich entrepreneur persona cannot exist without the minions below, and in that sense, it's an illusion to me. It's actually why I think the conversation was ridiculous in the first place given the subject of conversation. It was a very blaze way to talk about a rather important project...more than anything, I was just having a laugh about how far out humans can get.

feet 4y ago

That's hilarious, because for someone with a literal degree in physics he doesn't seem to understand the physics at all

Huh1337 4y ago
Can you provide some examples?
- feet 4y ago
  The most prominent is the hyperloop. The energy needed to maintain the vacuum entirely cancels out, and possibly adds some, energy savings from reduced friction. Plus the speed gained would be negligible compared to a well designed atmospheric bullet train. It adds cost, complexity, and energy usage for literally no reason
  - Huh1337 4y ago
    I never heard anybody claim that Hyperloop vacuum tunnels were about energy savings. Hyperloop is about replacing air travel with an alternative that could offer similar or higher speeds. If you want to go 1000+ km/h (or multiples) reducing friction is a requirement and definitely not because of energy savings but because the vehicle would heat up and/or break, and then of course the turbulence and noise.
    - feet 4y ago
      So which designs have gotten close to a significant increase over normal atmospheric bullet trains? That's addressed in my comment
      - Huh1337 4y ago
        Well maglevs are not used today exactly because of this issue - going past 600 km/h is dangerous - causes noise and turbulence affects the train too much, so it makes sense to venture in another direction, such as maglevs but in tunnels. What's addressed in your comment? You didn't show any other alternative offering speeds like Hyperloop, in theory, could. Not sure what you mean by your question about "which designs" - well, Hyperloop. Or do you expect me to hand you a finished project? It's just started. Even bullet trains took decades to get from proposal to project to finished.
- mavhc 4y ago
  He thought you could return a rocket from space and have it land vertically
  - rocqua 4y ago
    And then, he returned a rocket from space and had it land vertically. Heck he's doing it consistently, and even synchronized on occasion. Musk is a flawed dude, but the physics behind space-x aren't his weak point.
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    - bamboozled 4y ago
      He did none of that single-handedly though. Thousands, maybe millions of ours of man hours went into making all that happen. What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently. I don't care, I just don't think it's a good quality and I think longer term, it will probably lead to him having lower performing teams and people around him.
      - xedeon 4y ago
        > What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently I'm not sure if you're being facetious here. There are countless examples that exhibit the contrary. Here is one as recent as a few days ago: https://youtu.be/goT5gW57Chc?t=190 https://youtu.be/goT5gW57Chc?t=190 Below are a few (out of many others) prior examples: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1051591623069429760 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1051591623069429760 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960
        bamboozled 4y ago
        See my comment below but TL;DR I’d like to hear a bit more about “the great team” rather than Musk because I know behind that interview what hard work people are going through to make the things he is showing off happen. “Great job team…thanks for making me trillions” https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960 This one , as someone who often reads these types of mails is just a pep talk, to tell someone they respect me more than a rich person isn’t very flattering. Look I think you just like Elon Musk a lot. I don’t mind him either, I just know almost all of his success is built on the back of a lot of hard working individuals, which I think is pretty hidden behind a dude in XXXL T-shirts
icare_1er 4y ago
I don't find it hilarious. It is rather sad that stupid people who know nothing about physics, end up billionaires through tech companies/innocations, while physics genius like you remain anonymous on the internet.
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- feet 4y ago
  Ah yes, money. The most important metric by which we must judge all people and ideas
- Huh1337 4y ago
  Can you be more specific? You're talking about a guy who was able to make a company that returned a booster 14 times back to Earth. Physicists and engineers that tried before him couldn't make it. Not even John Carmack could. How come Musk is so stupid if he's done it when others couldn't? (yes I know he's not the engineer turning the bolts on the rocket. There's incredible value in good management and leadership, though - and for that you need to know a lot about what you're doing. )
  - icare_1er 4y ago
    I think you didn't get the sarcasm in my comment...
    - Huh1337 4y ago
      Since so many people say this completely seriously, it was rather invisible to me. Sorry about that.
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kspacewalk2 4y ago

That's because he is the brains behind a lot of innovation. If you're looking for companies which had plenty of technical talent but no one of his calibre providing a coherent and technically sound vision, there's a whole graveyard of e.g. private space companies out there, and a hospice full of ones that will inevitably end up in the ground soon.

bamboozled 4y ago
I personally see that as his role in society, just like someone else in the companies role might be to grind 50 hours a week on making some shit telemtry service for rocket engine computers to send data too. Some of it might be luck, some jobs are more desirable, but it's just how I see things. I think we're arguing whether or not "greatness" exists or is more something we invent, a mental construct. I personally think it's more of an illusion and some people are just "lucky" there job is to set a vision while others jobs seem more rudimentary...one can't exist without the other. The rich entrepreneur persona cannot exist without the minions below, and in that sense, it's an illusion to me. It's actually why I think the conversation was ridiculous in the first place given the subject of conversation. It was a very blaze way to talk about a rather important project...more than anything, I was just having a laugh about how far out humans can get.