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I'm still a bit stuck on the "hey lets bring our guns to this celebration!" Hey y'all, we're getting married! Don't forget to stop by the ammo store!

by z9znz 4y ago

bboygravity 4y ago
I'm still stuck at the part of "let's buy/get a gun". Disclaimer: I'm from somewhere in the EU.
- Nextgrid 4y ago
  Also from the EU. Guns can be a fun sportive/recreational tool. They are of course dangerous and deadly when misused, but so can be a lot of other recreational tools. The main problem is the US’ gun culture and that a lot of people buy them either because of fear-mongering or to make a political statement, with safe use & enjoyment being a secondary concern. Having so many guns out there in the hands of people who are poorly trained at using them safely & harmlessly is the problem. In a location with a healthy gun culture, or no specific culture associated with them, a gun would be considered as boring as any other dangerous sports equipment, there would be less problems - there would be a lot less guns around but the ones that will remain will be in the hands of passionate users who actually have the skill, training and mental state to enjoy them safely and responsibly.
  - TylerE 4y ago
    The biggest problem in the US, which no one ever talks about, isn’t long arms at all but easily concealable pistols.
    - Nextgrid 4y ago
      I'm not necessarily talking about violence where someone is determined to use a gun to kill someone. I'm talking about the general problem of there being way too many guns out there than they should be, owned by people who have no interest in safe & responsible firearm ownership, which leads to dangerous bullshit such as celebratory gunfire. This is a separate problem that will remain even if gun violence is resolved.
    - sp0ck 4y ago
      Don't go that rabbit hole :-) Long guns with exeption of mass shootings are reposnonsible for fraction of a violence. In fact 95% of gun violence is USA is focued in less than a 5% of area of major cities. If You subsctract gangs shootings USA is closer to EU in terms of gun accidents/crimes that you would think. Here is Polish article, with a lot of data about gun violence distrubution in USA: https://www.hoplofobia.info/kartograficzna-analiza-przestepczosci-w-amerykanskich-miastach/ https://www.hoplofobia.info/kartograficzna-analiza-przestepc... And some USA native info: https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Anthony-Braga-The-Nature-of-Urban-Gun-Violence-in-the-US.mp4 https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Antho...
  - vanderZwan 4y ago
    > They are of course dangerous and deadly when misused, but so can be a lot of other recreational tools. Sorry to nitpick, but I strongly disapprove of this sentence because it hides the fact that guns are weapons, and generally speaking most "other recreational tools" are not. Of course guns are dangerous and deadly, they're guns. If other recreational tools were as readily dangerous and deadly as guns, access to their usage would be a lot more restricted. Which also implies the "when misused" description is deceptive. What are guns designed to do? Like, when looking at their affordances[0], what was a gun originally made to do? SMBC had a nice take on it[1]. Of course it is true that we're not supposed to kill people, but "misused" here expands to "someone used a thing explicitly designed to be good at killing people, and in the process got someone killed, which means they misused it". Depending on intent that is perhaps "morally" correct, but otherwise it shifts attention away from the part where guns being dangerous and deadly is inherent to what makes them guns. And don't get me wrong, I fully agree with the rest of what you're saying. I totally understand when people have a fascination for weapons and agree there should be space for passionate, responsible enthusiasts. But that's exactly why I'm a bit hung up on this: to me, a responsible enthusiast would never undersell how dangerous guns are, and part of the cause of a messed up gun culture is not respecting that danger. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordance [1] https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-01-28 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-01-28
    - guggle 4y ago
      EU shooter here for context. > I totally understand when people have a fascination for weapons and agree there should be space for passionate, responsible enthusiasts. Well, thank you for letting us live ! Where I live, it's not exactly easy to legally get a hand gun and you can only do so after you proved that you're responsible, sane, and respect the safety rules. It's a process that can take a year, with multiple tests that you have to renew along your life. The behaviour described in this article would lead a shooter to lose his right to detain a handgun (I speak about detention, there is no right to carry guns here). Long story short, don't fear shooters that are having fun at your local gun range, they wouldn't do anything that stupid and they know damn well the dangers. People in suburban cities getting guns illegally is a completely different matter though, and the shootings there are completely out of control, including shooting automatics while riding a bike or firing at buildings. And yes, pathetic clowns doing the "celebratory gunfire" thing.
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- sneak 4y ago
  Your country has a military and is probably approximately democratic; your culture supports and funds arming thousands of people. The only discussion now is which people.
  - MisterSandman 4y ago
    Arming thousands of people who genuinely live in war zones and have an active reason to have guns for safety. Which is very different from the average EU gun owner.
- AlgorithmicTime 4y ago
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- wil421 4y ago
  If you’re in the US and your marriage involves guns you’re a redneck or thug. The only time I’ve ever seen a gun at a wedding was a police officer working the event.
fomine3 4y ago
"gender reveal party accident" is my favorite stupid news.
- fxtentacle 4y ago
  The psychological disappointment of our species condensed into 4 words. What an interesting rabbit hole. But pretty disheartening, too.

I'm still a bit stuck on the "hey lets bring our guns to this celebration!" Hey y'all, we're getting married! Don't forget to stop by the ammo store!

by z9znz 4y ago

I'm still a bit stuck on the "hey lets bring our guns to this celebration!" Hey y'all, we're getting married! Don't forget to stop by the ammo store!

bboygravity 4y ago

I'm still stuck at the part of "let's buy/get a gun". Disclaimer: I'm from somewhere in the EU.

Nextgrid 4y ago
Also from the EU. Guns can be a fun sportive/recreational tool. They are of course dangerous and deadly when misused, but so can be a lot of other recreational tools. The main problem is the US’ gun culture and that a lot of people buy them either because of fear-mongering or to make a political statement, with safe use & enjoyment being a secondary concern. Having so many guns out there in the hands of people who are poorly trained at using them safely & harmlessly is the problem. In a location with a healthy gun culture, or no specific culture associated with them, a gun would be considered as boring as any other dangerous sports equipment, there would be less problems - there would be a lot less guns around but the ones that will remain will be in the hands of passionate users who actually have the skill, training and mental state to enjoy them safely and responsibly.
- TylerE 4y ago
  The biggest problem in the US, which no one ever talks about, isn’t long arms at all but easily concealable pistols.
  - Nextgrid 4y ago
    I'm not necessarily talking about violence where someone is determined to use a gun to kill someone. I'm talking about the general problem of there being way too many guns out there than they should be, owned by people who have no interest in safe & responsible firearm ownership, which leads to dangerous bullshit such as celebratory gunfire. This is a separate problem that will remain even if gun violence is resolved.
  - sp0ck 4y ago
    Don't go that rabbit hole :-) Long guns with exeption of mass shootings are reposnonsible for fraction of a violence. In fact 95% of gun violence is USA is focued in less than a 5% of area of major cities. If You subsctract gangs shootings USA is closer to EU in terms of gun accidents/crimes that you would think. Here is Polish article, with a lot of data about gun violence distrubution in USA: https://www.hoplofobia.info/kartograficzna-analiza-przestepczosci-w-amerykanskich-miastach/ https://www.hoplofobia.info/kartograficzna-analiza-przestepc... And some USA native info: https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Anthony-Braga-The-Nature-of-Urban-Gun-Violence-in-the-US.mp4 https://www.hoplofobia.info/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Antho...
- vanderZwan 4y ago
  > They are of course dangerous and deadly when misused, but so can be a lot of other recreational tools. Sorry to nitpick, but I strongly disapprove of this sentence because it hides the fact that guns are weapons, and generally speaking most "other recreational tools" are not. Of course guns are dangerous and deadly, they're guns. If other recreational tools were as readily dangerous and deadly as guns, access to their usage would be a lot more restricted. Which also implies the "when misused" description is deceptive. What are guns designed to do? Like, when looking at their affordances[0], what was a gun originally made to do? SMBC had a nice take on it[1]. Of course it is true that we're not supposed to kill people, but "misused" here expands to "someone used a thing explicitly designed to be good at killing people, and in the process got someone killed, which means they misused it". Depending on intent that is perhaps "morally" correct, but otherwise it shifts attention away from the part where guns being dangerous and deadly is inherent to what makes them guns. And don't get me wrong, I fully agree with the rest of what you're saying. I totally understand when people have a fascination for weapons and agree there should be space for passionate, responsible enthusiasts. But that's exactly why I'm a bit hung up on this: to me, a responsible enthusiast would never undersell how dangerous guns are, and part of the cause of a messed up gun culture is not respecting that danger. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordance [1] https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-01-28 https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-01-28
  - guggle 4y ago
    EU shooter here for context. > I totally understand when people have a fascination for weapons and agree there should be space for passionate, responsible enthusiasts. Well, thank you for letting us live ! Where I live, it's not exactly easy to legally get a hand gun and you can only do so after you proved that you're responsible, sane, and respect the safety rules. It's a process that can take a year, with multiple tests that you have to renew along your life. The behaviour described in this article would lead a shooter to lose his right to detain a handgun (I speak about detention, there is no right to carry guns here). Long story short, don't fear shooters that are having fun at your local gun range, they wouldn't do anything that stupid and they know damn well the dangers. People in suburban cities getting guns illegally is a completely different matter though, and the shootings there are completely out of control, including shooting automatics while riding a bike or firing at buildings. And yes, pathetic clowns doing the "celebratory gunfire" thing.
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sneak 4y ago
Your country has a military and is probably approximately democratic; your culture supports and funds arming thousands of people. The only discussion now is which people.
- MisterSandman 4y ago
  Arming thousands of people who genuinely live in war zones and have an active reason to have guns for safety. Which is very different from the average EU gun owner.
AlgorithmicTime 4y ago
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wil421 4y ago
If you’re in the US and your marriage involves guns you’re a redneck or thug. The only time I’ve ever seen a gun at a wedding was a police officer working the event.

fomine3 4y ago

"gender reveal party accident" is my favorite stupid news.

fxtentacle 4y ago
The psychological disappointment of our species condensed into 4 words. What an interesting rabbit hole. But pretty disheartening, too.