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Stop it while you can. Nice presentations and education do not work on people who simply don't care about the damage they do. You need to invest in tough unre

Stop it while you can. Nice presentations and education do not work on people who simply don't care about the damage they do. You need to invest in tough unrelentless enforcement. Here (the Negev) we have these random shootings almost every evening. it quickly gets out of hand.

autoexec 4y ago
> Nice presentations and education do not work on people who simply don't care about the damage they do. I think it can help. Plenty of people in this discussion have been mistakenly under the impression that it's mostly harmless because of "air resistance" or "bullet tumbling" or whatever other nonsense they were told. I think a little education could go a long way. If nothing else, it would mean we can't say people weren't warned when we throw the book at them for needlessly putting other people's lives at risk.
- system2 4y ago
  Put several people in jail for 1-2 years then you will see it will stop very fast. That's how Singapore took care of their drug problem: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/singapore-is-winning-the-war-on-drugs-heres-how/2018/03/11/b8c25278-22e9-11e8-946c-9420060cb7bd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/singapore-is-winning...
  - autoexec 4y ago
    I don't know if we need to jump straight to Singapore levels of enforcement (not a model I'd like our justice system to take example from generally), but for a certain subset of the population there will have to be consistent and meaningful consequences for their selfishness.
    - amitport 4y ago
      Recklessly firing a firearm is not like throwing bubble gum. It should be treated very severely IMO.
- amitport 4y ago
  I agree it helps in getting the general public on board with rougher legislation. But I won't get my hopes up regarding getting shooters themselves stop shooting. This will only happen when they realise shooting means being sent to a few years in prison.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Maybe losing their guns would be punishment enough? I'd prefer if the enforcement started out extremely consistent but not overly punitive. Sentences can always get tougher as needed and research shows that after a certain point harsher punishments don't make for more effective deterrents.
Toutouxc 4y ago
> Here (the Negev) we have these random shootings almost every evening. Interesting, I thought you people were generally pretty well trained and professional with your guns.
- amitport 4y ago
  I'm referring to Bedouins (just to be clear, I'm not saying all of them do celebratory shooting... But where I live, 100% of those who do these shootings are Bedouins, and it happens almost every day)
watwut 4y ago
Regular reminder that USA is already imprisoning more people per capita then any other country except North Korea.

autoexec 4y ago

> Nice presentations and education do not work on people who simply don't care about the damage they do. I think it can help. Plenty of people in this discussion have been mistakenly under the impression that it's mostly harmless because of "air resistance" or "bullet tumbling" or whatever other nonsense they were told. I think a little education could go a long way. If nothing else, it would mean we can't say people weren't warned when we throw the book at them for needlessly putting other people's lives at risk.

system2 4y ago
Put several people in jail for 1-2 years then you will see it will stop very fast. That's how Singapore took care of their drug problem: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/singapore-is-winning-the-war-on-drugs-heres-how/2018/03/11/b8c25278-22e9-11e8-946c-9420060cb7bd_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/singapore-is-winning...
- autoexec 4y ago
  I don't know if we need to jump straight to Singapore levels of enforcement (not a model I'd like our justice system to take example from generally), but for a certain subset of the population there will have to be consistent and meaningful consequences for their selfishness.
  - amitport 4y ago
    Recklessly firing a firearm is not like throwing bubble gum. It should be treated very severely IMO.
amitport 4y ago
I agree it helps in getting the general public on board with rougher legislation. But I won't get my hopes up regarding getting shooters themselves stop shooting. This will only happen when they realise shooting means being sent to a few years in prison.
- autoexec 4y ago
  Maybe losing their guns would be punishment enough? I'd prefer if the enforcement started out extremely consistent but not overly punitive. Sentences can always get tougher as needed and research shows that after a certain point harsher punishments don't make for more effective deterrents.

Toutouxc 4y ago

> Here (the Negev) we have these random shootings almost every evening. Interesting, I thought you people were generally pretty well trained and professional with your guns.

amitport 4y ago
I'm referring to Bedouins (just to be clear, I'm not saying all of them do celebratory shooting... But where I live, 100% of those who do these shootings are Bedouins, and it happens almost every day)

watwut 4y ago

Regular reminder that USA is already imprisoning more people per capita then any other country except North Korea.