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Politics in eastern Ukraine was messy even before the breakup of the USSR, and nobody was an objective observer, so take everything with a grain of salt. 20 Ja

by wrp 4y ago

Politics in eastern Ukraine was messy even before the breakup of the USSR, and nobody was an objective observer, so take everything with a grain of salt. 20 January 1991: Crimea 93.6% to join Russia 16 March 2014: Crimea 96.77% for independence May 2014: Donetsk 89% for autonomy May 2014: Lugansk 96% for autonomy I pulled these numbers from a new book[1], which is in French, but there is already a rough English translation floating around. It is well footnoted with URLs. [1] https://books.google.com/books/about/Operation_Z.html?id=PYWFEAAAQBAJ https://books.google.com/books/about/Operation_Z.html?id=PYW...

_kbh_ 4y ago
> I pulled these numbers from a new book[1], which is in French, but there is already a rough English translation floating around. It is well footnoted with URLs. [1] https://books.google.com/books/about/Operation_Z.html?id=PYW https://books.google.com/books/about/Operation_Z.html?id=PYW... Jacques Baud who wrote that book which you used for the numbers has a history of pushing pro kremlin points and has been on Russian state TV in the past. I wouldn’t consider him reliable on this topic. If you want to read a good article on Jacques baud the following is a good analysis. https://dailysceptic.org/archive/how-accurate-is-jacques-bauds-analysis-of-the-war-in-ukraine/ https://dailysceptic.org/archive/how-accurate-is-jacques-bau...
- wrp 4y ago
  Baud didn't invent those numbers I quoted. I could have cited a different book, but this was at hand. I'm well aware of Baud's writings and his military career. I do have issues with his intellectual honesty, but I think he is in no sense a mouthpiece of Moscow. His driving motivation seems to be not pro-Russia, but anti-USA, which is not so unusual for a Frenchman (Swiss). That article you linked is itself rather dishonest, raising issues and then sidestepping Baud's version of the story.

by wrp 4y ago

_kbh_ 4y ago

> I pulled these numbers from a new book[1], which is in French, but there is already a rough English translation floating around. It is well footnoted with URLs. [1] https://books.google.com/books/about/Operation_Z.html?id=PYW https://books.google.com/books/about/Operation_Z.html?id=PYW... Jacques Baud who wrote that book which you used for the numbers has a history of pushing pro kremlin points and has been on Russian state TV in the past. I wouldn’t consider him reliable on this topic. If you want to read a good article on Jacques baud the following is a good analysis. https://dailysceptic.org/archive/how-accurate-is-jacques-bauds-analysis-of-the-war-in-ukraine/ https://dailysceptic.org/archive/how-accurate-is-jacques-bau...

wrp 4y ago
Baud didn't invent those numbers I quoted. I could have cited a different book, but this was at hand. I'm well aware of Baud's writings and his military career. I do have issues with his intellectual honesty, but I think he is in no sense a mouthpiece of Moscow. His driving motivation seems to be not pro-Russia, but anti-USA, which is not so unusual for a Frenchman (Swiss). That article you linked is itself rather dishonest, raising issues and then sidestepping Baud's version of the story.