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You have to think of the counterfactual. If 1x emissions are required for, say, government advocacy, that reduces emissions by 100x, you would lose 99x of emiss

You have to think of the counterfactual. If 1x emissions are required for, say, government advocacy, that reduces emissions by 100x, you would lose 99x of emissions reductions by avoiding the advocacy. It’s not hypocrisy so much as pragmatism

Ekaros 4y ago
Can't they just send letter or call on phone? You know minimise the emissions from their own actions. I always wondered why are people flying of all things to these climate conferences, instead of biking or just having them fully remote standing outside in a field...
- h0l0cube 4y ago
  Telepresence (at least by today's standard) is not the same as being there, and being literally present with decision makers. Overhearing conversations, hallway encounters, inspecting physical infrastructure, having individual agency to move in a space (see things for yourself), being able to 'read the room', and communicating, by your extra commitment, that you are serious not just the decision makers but even the wider public (photo ops), are just the few intangible benefits missing from a zoom call straight off the top of my dome, and that's just scratching the surface. Telepresence is getting better by the day, but let's not pretend it's as effective, particularly in global politics, finance, etc.
  - Ekaros 4y ago
    So maybe we should permanently lock them in single island and throw some gruel and water at them so they don't starve? They could have all the time with each other they need with minimal emissions.
    - h0l0cube 4y ago
      Good luck with executing on your plan. May it reap all the benefits we need to shift us away from climate catastrophe.
  - yucky 4y ago
    That also explains why they always seem to own 3+ homes averaging 15,000 sq. feet each?
    - h0l0cube 4y ago
      I'll concede that the square footage seems an extravagance, and it ought not to be a thing, but once again, this is probably table stakes to rub shoulders with people who have power to change things. You don't invite investors to dinner at your down-town hovel
      - yucky 4y ago
        Alright, then I also aspire to own the large homes and fly private jets all over the world necessary to affect change.
        h0l0cube 4y ago
        If you believe you could realistically affect change in this arena, and this is the most effective use of your resources to do so, you ought to.

Ekaros 4y ago

Can't they just send letter or call on phone? You know minimise the emissions from their own actions. I always wondered why are people flying of all things to these climate conferences, instead of biking or just having them fully remote standing outside in a field...

h0l0cube 4y ago
Telepresence (at least by today's standard) is not the same as being there, and being literally present with decision makers. Overhearing conversations, hallway encounters, inspecting physical infrastructure, having individual agency to move in a space (see things for yourself), being able to 'read the room', and communicating, by your extra commitment, that you are serious not just the decision makers but even the wider public (photo ops), are just the few intangible benefits missing from a zoom call straight off the top of my dome, and that's just scratching the surface. Telepresence is getting better by the day, but let's not pretend it's as effective, particularly in global politics, finance, etc.
- Ekaros 4y ago
  So maybe we should permanently lock them in single island and throw some gruel and water at them so they don't starve? They could have all the time with each other they need with minimal emissions.
  - h0l0cube 4y ago
    Good luck with executing on your plan. May it reap all the benefits we need to shift us away from climate catastrophe.
- yucky 4y ago
  That also explains why they always seem to own 3+ homes averaging 15,000 sq. feet each?
  - h0l0cube 4y ago
    I'll concede that the square footage seems an extravagance, and it ought not to be a thing, but once again, this is probably table stakes to rub shoulders with people who have power to change things. You don't invite investors to dinner at your down-town hovel
    - yucky 4y ago
      Alright, then I also aspire to own the large homes and fly private jets all over the world necessary to affect change.
      - h0l0cube 4y ago
        If you believe you could realistically affect change in this arena, and this is the most effective use of your resources to do so, you ought to.