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Only 1 country marched across the border of a democratic country that doesn't belong to them committing every war crime in the book along the way... Don't both

Only 1 country marched across the border of a democratic country that doesn't belong to them committing every war crime in the book along the way... Don't both-sides this one...

morpheos137 4y ago
- hbrn 4y ago
  I have yet to see evidence that Ukrainian military has more neo-nazis than any other military in the world. Or even more than Russian military. You do realize that nazis are militaristic by nature, so having them join military is not surprising at all? Plenty of russian neo-nazis have been openly participating in Russo-Ukrainian conflict since 2014, noone supporting Russian side seems to bat an eye. Here's just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group Or maybe take a close look at Wagner Group founder tattoos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQaxRgXAAAKEWt.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQaxRgXAAAKEWt.jpg Those aren't convenient Nazis, are they?
  - nosuchthing 4y ago
    Ukrainian government has been renaming their streets to honor nazis like Stephan Bandera. https://youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5OzBa8ntEns https://youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5OzBa8ntEns Here's Biletsky (the founder) in March saying Azov had at least 40,000 fighters. https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725c2d https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725... Here's a list of Azov units incorporated into the military, including 5 battalions and 2 regiments. https://militaryland.net/news/the-units-of-azov/ https://militaryland.net/news/the-units-of-azov/ Azov also includes organizations not officially part of the military including Centuria (formerly the National Militia) and Youth Corp. Azov is also not the only Nazi militia, there's Aidar, the child rapists of the Tornado battalion (freed by Zelensky) and many more.
    - tim333 4y ago
      Without nit picking too much, one side has a dictator for life type rolling tanks into their peaceful neighbours, running torture chambers, butchering thousands of civilians, doing mass deportations etc. and the other is mostly peaceful run by a Jewish former comedian elected democratically. Which of those sounds more like the old Hitler Nazis? I don't think details like - oh they changed some street name, really changes that.
    - hbrn 4y ago
      > Here's Biletsky (the founder) in March saying Azov had at least 40,000 fighters "Having started as a militia of just over 300 troops, “there are (now) scores of thousands” of Azov fighters, said Biletsky, who in 2008 co-founded the Social-National Assembly, a grouping of the most extreme nationalist Ukrainian political parties. Most are fighting within Ukraine’s territorial defence units, including more than 1,000 in Kharkiv, he said. The interior ministry did not comment on the figures." Have you confused "scores of thousands" with 40,000? Or are you just blatantly lying hoping people won't go beyond the paywall? I can buy that most of it's members were far-right when it was founded. But labelling all their members as nazis years after it was incorporated into regular military is a shameless manipulation.
- lawn 4y ago
  > A democratic country that shells its own civilians for 7 years Do you also believe the ridiculous claim that the torture chambers that were uncovered were planted by Ukraine? And the mass graves? > and allows neonazi groups in its military? Have you heard of the Wagner group? Russian military openly carries nazi symbols, yet Ukraine is the Nazis? Russian propaganda is just ridiculous if you stop and think for a second.
  - tim333 4y ago
    I guess these are the civilians led by Igor Girkin who launched the BUK missile that took down the Malaysian Airlines jet perhaps?
- _kbh_ 4y ago
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  - nosuchthing 4y ago
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > Russia is not good. Ukrainian oligarchs are not good either. Russia doesn’t even have a transfer of power to different leaders from elections, Ukraine does.
      - nosuchthing 4y ago

Only 1 country marched across the border of a democratic country that doesn't belong to them committing every war crime in the book along the way... Don't both-sides this one...

morpheos137 4y ago

hbrn 4y ago
I have yet to see evidence that Ukrainian military has more neo-nazis than any other military in the world. Or even more than Russian military. You do realize that nazis are militaristic by nature, so having them join military is not surprising at all? Plenty of russian neo-nazis have been openly participating in Russo-Ukrainian conflict since 2014, noone supporting Russian side seems to bat an eye. Here's just one example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusich_Group Or maybe take a close look at Wagner Group founder tattoos: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQaxRgXAAAKEWt.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvQaxRgXAAAKEWt.jpg Those aren't convenient Nazis, are they?
- nosuchthing 4y ago
  Ukrainian government has been renaming their streets to honor nazis like Stephan Bandera. https://youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5OzBa8ntEns https://youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=5OzBa8ntEns Here's Biletsky (the founder) in March saying Azov had at least 40,000 fighters. https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725c2d https://www.ft.com/content/7191ec30-9677-423d-873c-e72b64725... Here's a list of Azov units incorporated into the military, including 5 battalions and 2 regiments. https://militaryland.net/news/the-units-of-azov/ https://militaryland.net/news/the-units-of-azov/ Azov also includes organizations not officially part of the military including Centuria (formerly the National Militia) and Youth Corp. Azov is also not the only Nazi militia, there's Aidar, the child rapists of the Tornado battalion (freed by Zelensky) and many more.
  - tim333 4y ago
    Without nit picking too much, one side has a dictator for life type rolling tanks into their peaceful neighbours, running torture chambers, butchering thousands of civilians, doing mass deportations etc. and the other is mostly peaceful run by a Jewish former comedian elected democratically. Which of those sounds more like the old Hitler Nazis? I don't think details like - oh they changed some street name, really changes that.
  - hbrn 4y ago
    > Here's Biletsky (the founder) in March saying Azov had at least 40,000 fighters "Having started as a militia of just over 300 troops, “there are (now) scores of thousands” of Azov fighters, said Biletsky, who in 2008 co-founded the Social-National Assembly, a grouping of the most extreme nationalist Ukrainian political parties. Most are fighting within Ukraine’s territorial defence units, including more than 1,000 in Kharkiv, he said. The interior ministry did not comment on the figures." Have you confused "scores of thousands" with 40,000? Or are you just blatantly lying hoping people won't go beyond the paywall? I can buy that most of it's members were far-right when it was founded. But labelling all their members as nazis years after it was incorporated into regular military is a shameless manipulation.
lawn 4y ago
> A democratic country that shells its own civilians for 7 years Do you also believe the ridiculous claim that the torture chambers that were uncovered were planted by Ukraine? And the mass graves? > and allows neonazi groups in its military? Have you heard of the Wagner group? Russian military openly carries nazi symbols, yet Ukraine is the Nazis? Russian propaganda is just ridiculous if you stop and think for a second.
- tim333 4y ago
  I guess these are the civilians led by Igor Girkin who launched the BUK missile that took down the Malaysian Airlines jet perhaps?
_kbh_ 4y ago
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- nosuchthing 4y ago
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > Russia is not good. Ukrainian oligarchs are not good either. Russia doesn’t even have a transfer of power to different leaders from elections, Ukraine does.
    - nosuchthing 4y ago