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War is indeed horrible, but this invasion is entirely on Russia and is entirely unrelated to Ukrainian corruption.

morpheos137 4y ago
Not really. Look at the big picture. Due to Ukrainian corruption over the past 30 years the transition from communism to democracy was botched, even worse than it was in Russia post-Yeltsin. Economic failure secondary to corruption resulted in unhappy people. Naturally people fell back into ethno-nationalist populism and violence and politicians promised pot of gold at the end of the rainbow solutions like EU or NATO membership to deflect attention from their domestic failures.
- nosuchthing 4y ago
  The deal for EU membership was tied to a poison apple of requirements from IMF + EU loans that demanded sweeping austerity. the pre-Euromaidan politicians decided to take the loan offered from Russia that did not require the austerity cuts to social services, pensions, and selling off public infrastructure. Euromaidan violence followed and after the coup everything continued to escalate and collapse into the Ukrainian "civil war" much of the eastern Ukrainian population was dehumanized after euromaidan. language laws passed, large opposition parties were made illegal. violent ultranationalists like azov begin gaining power. Ukrainian civilians have been abused and victimized by corruption for many years, decades.
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  Putin has been quite clear that this is full blood and soil, Ukrainian identity doesn't exist and all of Ukraine is actually Russia. They do not care about Ukrainian corruption in the slightest.
nosuchthing 4y ago
- bigDinosaur 4y ago
  Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, and to be honest not only am I not engaging with you, I think this is fully bad faith. Russia is the one currently making existential, nuclear threats, too. In fact, reading responses like yours makes me hate Russia's actions even more - they've created so much propaganda that you can honestly write that somehow it's actually Ukraine's fault that they got attacked and invaded by Russia.
  - nosuchthing 4y ago
    Prohibiting civilians from fleeing to safety as Zelensky has done is not good guy behavior. The Far right militas took over the Ukrainian government after euromaidan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nati... Bandera groups have american cells operating as lobbyists https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/right-sector-usa https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/right-sector-usa
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- belimawr 4y ago
  You forgot to mention the bioweapons developed by Ukraine, and the Nazi super soldiers :)
- XorNot 4y ago
  CBS retracted that documentary: https://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-partially-retracts-ukraine-docuemtnary-alleging-missing-us-weapons-2022-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-partially-retracts-ukrai... But you didn't bother linking that. Of course this is all in the context of trying to excuse the Russian military raping, murdering and looting their way through Ukraine. Go look at the pictures coming out of the towns that are liberated and tell me literally anything you said still matters.

Not really. Look at the big picture. Due to Ukrainian corruption over the past 30 years the transition from communism to democracy was botched, even worse than it was in Russia post-Yeltsin. Economic failure secondary to corruption resulted in unhappy people. Naturally people fell back into ethno-nationalist populism and violence and politicians promised pot of gold at the end of the rainbow solutions like EU or NATO membership to deflect attention from their domestic failures.

nosuchthing 4y ago
The deal for EU membership was tied to a poison apple of requirements from IMF + EU loans that demanded sweeping austerity. the pre-Euromaidan politicians decided to take the loan offered from Russia that did not require the austerity cuts to social services, pensions, and selling off public infrastructure. Euromaidan violence followed and after the coup everything continued to escalate and collapse into the Ukrainian "civil war" much of the eastern Ukrainian population was dehumanized after euromaidan. language laws passed, large opposition parties were made illegal. violent ultranationalists like azov begin gaining power. Ukrainian civilians have been abused and victimized by corruption for many years, decades.
bigDinosaur 4y ago
Putin has been quite clear that this is full blood and soil, Ukrainian identity doesn't exist and all of Ukraine is actually Russia. They do not care about Ukrainian corruption in the slightest.

nosuchthing 4y ago

bigDinosaur 4y ago
Russia invaded Ukraine, Russia is the aggressor, and to be honest not only am I not engaging with you, I think this is fully bad faith. Russia is the one currently making existential, nuclear threats, too. In fact, reading responses like yours makes me hate Russia's actions even more - they've created so much propaganda that you can honestly write that somehow it's actually Ukraine's fault that they got attacked and invaded by Russia.
- nosuchthing 4y ago
  Prohibiting civilians from fleeing to safety as Zelensky has done is not good guy behavior. The Far right militas took over the Ukrainian government after euromaidan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nati... Bandera groups have american cells operating as lobbyists https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/right-sector-usa https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/right-sector-usa
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belimawr 4y ago
You forgot to mention the bioweapons developed by Ukraine, and the Nazi super soldiers :)
XorNot 4y ago
CBS retracted that documentary: https://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-partially-retracts-ukraine-docuemtnary-alleging-missing-us-weapons-2022-8 https://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-partially-retracts-ukrai... But you didn't bother linking that. Of course this is all in the context of trying to excuse the Russian military raping, murdering and looting their way through Ukraine. Go look at the pictures coming out of the towns that are liberated and tell me literally anything you said still matters.