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Bucha is only one of the suburbs of Kyiv suffered. Kharkiv region, Izuym, Mariupol, is much much worse. God knows what else will be found after liberation of ot
by maxdo 4y ago
Bucha is only one of the suburbs of Kyiv suffered. Kharkiv region, Izuym, Mariupol, is much much worse. God knows what else will be found after liberation of other parts.
It's really shocking to see how people are easily manipulated. Half of the russia thinks that they are at full fledge war with US, EU and rest of west. Simple logic check like ok... their army is here, but have you heard of Western Rockets, F-35's , Tanks. Nope. Still we are under atack
- tim333 4y agoThis Russian guy on RT doesn't seem very manipulated, more: >on RT's show "Beautiful Russia," propagandist argues that Russia shouldn't worry about the way events like Bucha are being perceived or covered in the West. Instead, he says, Russia should lay into that: "Yes, that's how we are... We'll show you even more. Fear us!" https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1571266222871789575 https://mobile.twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/15712662228... I think Patton may have had the right idea.
- justsomehnguy 4y agoSimple logic check: How many satellites, AWACS does UA have?
- hutzlibu 4y ago"Half of the russia thinks that they are at full fledge war with US, EU and rest of west." Are you sure about those numbers? It sounds a bit like a strawman argument to me.
- NicoJuicy 4y agoDon't underestimate propaganda in Africa, where Russia ( and China) have much more influence.
- PedroBatista 4y agoAs much as it looks, it isn't. Younger more educated people are more immune ( although equally passive and "stoic" ) but the vast majority believes what Kremlin says ( with varying degrees ). But it's not "magic", with 20+ years of constant propaganda in pretty much every TV channel every population would believe the same. Do not underestimate the sophistication and the level they can shape the minds of their people. The Internet was a new "challenge" but it's mostly under their control although not at the level they control TV and every newspaper. Also, the "story/reality" they spread in Africa, most Asia and South America is completely is completely different to the one they spread on the West. China does something similar. To my knowledge in the West their low effort blatant lies doesn't get much traction, but the way they feed the disenfranchised, contrarians and "influencers" fostering discontent has been effective. Don't know about TikTok.
- hutzlibu 4y agoI have a hard time believing, people believe they are at full war with the NATO, yet at the same time are not allowed to call it war. There is only so much vodka you can drink.
- justsomehnguy 4y ago> not allowed to call it war For 8 years it wasn't called a war, so what?
- miguelazo 4y agoKind of like the US in every one of its wars for the last several decades? Since Congress is supposed to have the sole authority to declare war.
- justsomehnguy 4y agoAnd that one too. It just always amuses me what the same people who cry about a war which isn't called a war completely ignore previous eight years when it was called a war everywhere... except officially it was ATO. Like, come on.
- kofejnik 4y agoyes, sounds about right
- mcv 4y agoIt used to be that Russian media, as well as most Russians interviewed by foreign media, gave the impression that most Russians supported the war. Since the mobilisation, the hundreds of thousands of Russians trying to flee the country tell a very different and probably much more accurate story of how many people in Russia really support the war.
- foverzar 4y agoIt tells us nothing, really. Hundreds of thousands is <1% It might only surprise people, who can't quite wrap their heads around the fact that other people are individuals with their own opinions, regardless of geography.
- mcv 4y agoHundreds of thousands is a lot. It's more than the number of Russian soldiers currently fighting in Ukraine. And there are the young men most likely to be drafted.
- foverzar 4y agoIt might feel a lot, but is still such a small fraction. Comparing it with Russian force in Ukraine is hardly a compliment to it's size, IMO. I just don't really understand why would one assume that such near-to-margin-of-error numbers could be indicative of anything other than an obvious fact that Russia isn't 100% homogenous (duh!).
- agapon 4y agoThis is only a partially correct take. There is a huge difference between supporting a war from your couch and doing the same in the trenches. Most of those who run _now_ are running from the latter. They were quite comfortable in the former role.
- aredox 4y agoAsk any Ukrainians who have family in Russia... https://mobile.twitter.com/nastasiaKlimash/status/1575649514261618688 https://mobile.twitter.com/nastasiaKlimash/status/1575649514... (This is just one example across many I've seen since February)
- pessimizer 4y ago
- downvoteme1 4y agoWell if Ukraine did not have the American made weapons, they would have folded in less than a month. The United States has spent close to 100B in aid for Ukraine in the last 6 months and other amounts of money by the EU as aid. All told it is about 5-10x Russia’s yearly military budget. All in all, Russia is a very weak country with less than 1.5T GDP. As a result, any infusion of huge sum on money by external actors will tilt the balance in the favor of the party that gets the money .
- riku_iki 4y agoI think you are heavily making things up. US heavy weapons started arriving like 3 months from when invasion started, US aid is very far from 100B.
- justsomehnguy 4y agoYeah, yah, these were just chronoported to Feb 28: https://www.militaryimages.net/threads/ukrainian-military.5930/page-121#post-206559 https://www.militaryimages.net/threads/ukrainian-military.59...
- dprice1 4y agoI was curious about these competing claims, so I googled for the answer. https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3173378/11-billion-in-additional-security-assistance-for-ukraine/ https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/317337... Dated Sept. 28, 2022 "In total, the United States has now committed approximately $16.9 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since January 2021. Since 2014, the United States has committed approximately $19 billion in security assistance to Ukraine more than $16.2 billion since the beginning of Russia’s unprovoked and brutal invasion on February 24." I'm not sure that all of the money/material has yet reached Ukraine. But that is what is said to be committed.
- nosuchthing 4y agoMost of the weapons given to Ukraine have been lost and unaccounted for. CBS published this report on the missing weapons stolen by corrupt groups operating within Ukraine. Shortly afterwards they were forced to amend a statement that someone is trying to track the newer shipments, without explaining any sort of actual plan for accountability. War is racketeering. https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzxbS8eUKc https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWzxbS8eUKc
- blevin 4y agoThey say truth is the first casualty in war. How do you get a man to attack their fellow man? You don’t, except from a throne of lies.