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Hostomel/Antonov airport is really quite close to the center of Kiev. The russians made a real effort to capture it in the beginning days of the war as an airli

Hostomel/Antonov airport is really quite close to the center of Kiev. The russians made a real effort to capture it in the beginning days of the war as an airlift beachhead, (resulting in a huge fatality rate for their paratroopers), and their relief convoy getting nearly obliterated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hostomel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hostomel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Antonov_Airport https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_offensive_(2022) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyiv_offensive_(2022) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzK1gl6UoM0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzK1gl6UoM0

rjzzleep 4y ago
- walrus01 4y ago
  And yet, the factual outcome of the battle (many months ago!) was that all of the russian army units to the north/northwest of Kiev were either destroyed/killed, captured or withdrew themselves back into Belarus. Unless you want to claim that the Ukrainians did not actually win in that entire theatre of the war? That massive convoy of Russian vehicles to the north of Kiev in the early days of the war is not presently parked in downtown Kiev, occupying the seats of power, so I think the outcome has been obvious. You don't want to believe the ukrainians? Okay, the satellite imagery of that massive build up of Russians who tried a thrust directly towards Kiev at the earliest days of the war was taken by Maxar, a US company, and two or three other competing commercial satellite imagery companies. Your entire comment reads like somebody who thinks RT/Sputnik is real journalism.
- rendall 4y ago
  > their own Ombudsman for Human Rights admitted that she made up claims about Russian soldiers raping children Not having heard about this, I looked it up. She was fired by Ukraine lawmakers, specifically (among other things) for publishing reports without factual basis. Ukrainian journalists published an open letter criticizing her reports as lacking sufficient evidence. https://www.newsweek.com/lyudmila-denisova-ukraine-commissioner-human-rights-removed-russian-sexual-assault-claims-1711680 https://www.newsweek.com/lyudmila-denisova-ukraine-commissio... Of course pro-Kremlin sources would skip those details, to seize on her post-firing admission to claim that all accusations are therefore false. > The Wikipedia articles EXCLUSIVELY ... But, point taken about Wikipedia. People really do need to stop using it as a source to support their arguments.
  - rjzzleep 4y ago
    Not exactly. Also she actually had an interview in which she admitted that she exaggerated to sway Italy's five star party because they were against sending arms. I can try to find the interview, but it doesn't seem like anyone on HN actually thinks questioning things that come out the people that lied about the Iraq war is worthwile. but below is an actual investigation that isn't quite as rosy. Original: https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/ Translated: https://www-pravda-com-ua.translate.goog/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-pravda-com-ua.translate.goog/articles/2022/06/27...
    - rendall 4y ago
      What do you mean by "Not exactly" here?
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rjzzleep 4y ago

walrus01 4y ago
And yet, the factual outcome of the battle (many months ago!) was that all of the russian army units to the north/northwest of Kiev were either destroyed/killed, captured or withdrew themselves back into Belarus. Unless you want to claim that the Ukrainians did not actually win in that entire theatre of the war? That massive convoy of Russian vehicles to the north of Kiev in the early days of the war is not presently parked in downtown Kiev, occupying the seats of power, so I think the outcome has been obvious. You don't want to believe the ukrainians? Okay, the satellite imagery of that massive build up of Russians who tried a thrust directly towards Kiev at the earliest days of the war was taken by Maxar, a US company, and two or three other competing commercial satellite imagery companies. Your entire comment reads like somebody who thinks RT/Sputnik is real journalism.
rendall 4y ago
> their own Ombudsman for Human Rights admitted that she made up claims about Russian soldiers raping children Not having heard about this, I looked it up. She was fired by Ukraine lawmakers, specifically (among other things) for publishing reports without factual basis. Ukrainian journalists published an open letter criticizing her reports as lacking sufficient evidence. https://www.newsweek.com/lyudmila-denisova-ukraine-commissioner-human-rights-removed-russian-sexual-assault-claims-1711680 https://www.newsweek.com/lyudmila-denisova-ukraine-commissio... Of course pro-Kremlin sources would skip those details, to seize on her post-firing admission to claim that all accusations are therefore false. > The Wikipedia articles EXCLUSIVELY ... But, point taken about Wikipedia. People really do need to stop using it as a source to support their arguments.
- rjzzleep 4y ago
  Not exactly. Also she actually had an interview in which she admitted that she exaggerated to sway Italy's five star party because they were against sending arms. I can try to find the interview, but it doesn't seem like anyone on HN actually thinks questioning things that come out the people that lied about the Iraq war is worthwile. but below is an actual investigation that isn't quite as rosy. Original: https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/ Translated: https://www-pravda-com-ua.translate.goog/articles/2022/06/27/7354838/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp https://www-pravda-com-ua.translate.goog/articles/2022/06/27...
  - rendall 4y ago
    What do you mean by "Not exactly" here?
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