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Maybe there's no censorship, but there's a shitload of white supremacists. Almost exclusively from what I've seen.
by bavent 4y ago
Maybe there's no censorship, but there's a shitload of white supremacists. Almost exclusively from what I've seen.
- MikePlacid 4y agoMy point exactly.
- bavent 4y agoWhich was what?
- MikePlacid 4y agoLet me copy vetbatim: You have at least one alternative. You, the freest people in the world, are not using it. Not enough censorship there.
- bavent 4y agoRight, what do you mean by that? That Americans aren't using it because they prefer censorship, or that they aren't using it because they're dumb, or some third or fourth points? I'm not sure what you mean.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago> Right, what do you mean by that? That Americans aren't using it because they prefer censorship, or that they aren't using it because they're dumb, or some third or fourth points? I'm not sure what you mean. This is pretty obtuse as a response to the comment above you: >>>>>> You have at least one alternative. You, the freest people in the world, are not using it. Not enough censorship there. What could "Not enough censorship there" mean other than that people want more censorship than Gab provides?
- throwaway29812 4y agoPeople prefer sanitized spaces.
- MikePlacid 4y agoI prefer sanitized spaces too. I just want to have a sanitizing tool in my own hands - sanitizing what I personally read. But my tool should have no influence on what you will see and read. Moderation is probably needed. But it should be decentralized.
- throwaway29812 4y agoDecentralized moderation is a fantasy. Do you want to clean every public bathroom before you enter it ? Uncover every troll personally on Twitter every time you log on? Malign activity (bots and trolls) are organized and at scale, the only way to fight back is at the same scale. Individual users would be helpless.
- brigandish 4y agoNot if they were given the same power i.e. moderation tools that Twitter et al have behind the scenes. Why can't I, for example, set a filter that removes bots based on some confidence value? Or that orders my feeds in the order of my choosing? Right now I have to use ridiculously blunt instruments and trust in moderation that is well known to be biased and, frankly, useless.
- throwaway29812 4y agoFair points, but I would argue you aren't describing decentralized moderation so much as centralized moderation tools being made available to users in a transparent way. Which sounds good to me.
- MikePlacid 4y agoUhm. I can only guess why we Americans are not using Gab. But I thought I’ve made my guess pretty explicit: yes, I can clearly see and with great uneasiness that Americans prefer censorship. May be I was wrong - what is your thought, what Gab should do with these suprematists? And my guess is based on some observations. I named one - GOP branch deleting their account. Here’s the second observation, if you wish. Even more bothering to me. Not so long a go there was a mass protest at SF medical center. About a thousand of hospital workers were demanding that Zuckerberg’s name (paid by him at $25 mln) was removed from the plates. Reason - he is not doing enough to censor Facebook posts. I was born and grown up and have a nice “living experience” in a totalitarian country. This popular demand for more censorship looks to me like people asking authorities to hang them - and bringing their own ropes and soap to the execution site. Not a nice picture to watch.
- bglazer 4y agoThe key difference between being banned from Facebook and being hanged by the government is that in one case you die and in the other case you are mildly inconvenienced. Like you said, you can always go to Gab.
- thrown_22 4y agoFirst they came for the facebook posts, I did not speak out because I didn't use facebook. Then they came for the internet registrars, I did not speak out because I didn't have a website. Then they came for the payment processors, I did not speak out because I didn't have an online business. When they came for my bank account there was no where left to speak.
- jonathankoren 4y agoJust to be clear. The “They” coming for the Facebook posts is Mark Zuckerberg, owner of Facebook. Give me your car. I want to key some stuff into the side of it. If you don’t you’re censoring me.
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- stainablesteel 4y agoso you're going to let the white supremacists monopolize the free internet?
- bavent 4y agoI would rather they didn't but the post I replied to was about one alternative to things - not any of the other alternatives, like federated systems (Mastodon, etc) or even something like IRC that I love dearly. They picked one of the things that is notorious for being full of white supremacists (and also banning people for being "left wing", as was my experience of disagreeing with a prominent Gab user, on Gab, for which my account was banned. So much for "freedom of speech".)
- stainablesteel 4y agoyeah, i know what you mean they do put in a serious effort though because of how ostracized they are, i can't help but think it will come in handy someday
- narrator 4y agoThere are other issues such as criticism of lockdowns, vaccine safety, anthropogenic global warming, central bank digital currencies, investigation of certain incidents like the Las Vegas mass shooting, supporting the Russian side of the Ukraine war, etc that will get you banned on other platforms. They are all lumped together in the mind of your average CNN viewer as "white supremacy" unfortunately. Sometimes there are weird glitches in the issue lumping, like when people say that Trump is anti-vax even though Trump has been an advocate of the vaccines.
- phpthrowaway99 4y agoI have a black friend that was almost, sorta, called racist because he said he thinks his house rent in the Berkeley was high because tons of illegal aliens are renting too and driving up demand. He tried to argue that without the millions of illegals in California, taking atleast a million housing units, rent would be cheaper. But everyone was shocked he could even say that. Things are getting comical. As if the actual race or color of the millions of people taking up housing is the actual issue.... Not their legal status. If they were a different color or race he's be ok with it?
- llanowarelves 4y agoAlso Mexican is not even a race. Same with Muslim. Etc. The skin color thing was always a strawman. There's slightly different physiology, behavioral tendencies like cultures, which may simply be different (intelligent adaptations by group from their geographical origins). Nobody thinks an albino African is "White". And when the Tanzanian albino gets chopped into a potion by his non-Albino brothers -- an actual crime predicated upon skin color alone -- would we call it a racial hate crime? We barely even talk about that issue internationally.
- hunterb123 4y agoThere's a shitload of black/white/muslim supremacists on Twitter too. Twitter is almost exclusively toxicity. There's normal people on Gab as well. It's nice if you want to talk about taboo topics during controversial times like lockdowns, certain laptops, certain vaccines, etc.. Basically if you want to escape western propaganda.