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First underwhelming AI post on the frontpage. Thank god our jobs are safe atleast!

by frontman1988 4y ago

z9znz 4y ago
Writing code is rarely the problem anyway. Understanding the problem and devising a suitable solution given the full context is where the magic is. And since most humans have a hard time even accurately describing a problem and full context, there's no threat that AI will replace developers. If we can build up an immense library of clearly defined problems and solutions, with variants which fit with all conceivable unique contexts, then maybe it will become possible for AI to provide useful assistance. It would be a good goal to do what I describe, as it would result in many fewer bugs in software. The risks then would be either misidentifying the problem (and therefore getting a solution which doesn't fit the need) or providing inaccurate context which allows for suboptimal selection of a predefined solution.
- version_five 4y ago
  > If we can build up an immense library of clearly defined problems and solutions, with variants which fit with all conceivable unique contexts, then maybe it will become possible for AI to provide useful assistance. Agreed. What you're describing (an immense library of problems and solutions) is essentially what's in the head of a very experienced developer. A system that helped surface those in a simple way for "new" problems so that people aren't constantly reinventing the wheel and making the same mistakes would be great. I've seen ideas about similar "tacit knowledge" systems in other domains (though I'm not sure there is a good one yet). For software, such a system would be way more helpful, and a much better goal, than this kind of idiot-savant gpt stuff
- TylerE 4y ago
  The interesting bit will be when the AI is smart enough to take an “easy” language like Typescript and convert it to rust or c++
  - superkuh 4y ago
    It still won't help with setting up the development environment to be able to compile rust of the week or c++??. Both of which have dev communities which adopt forwards incompatible features fairly rapidly so the environment in your distro probably won't work as is. But eventually, maybe they AI will set that up too, https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2019/03/15/css-css-everywhere/ https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2019/03/15/css-css-everywhere...
- intelVISA 4y ago
  Programming is 10-20% of the job, sure it's fundamental but even if an AI could generate optimal code solutions for most use cases it'd still never replace us... ...probably.
- Flozzin 4y ago
  So what we need is an AI that completely understands the problem space and can tell us what to code.

First underwhelming AI post on the frontpage. Thank god our jobs are safe atleast!

Writing code is rarely the problem anyway. Understanding the problem and devising a suitable solution given the full context is where the magic is. And since most humans have a hard time even accurately describing a problem and full context, there's no threat that AI will replace developers. If we can build up an immense library of clearly defined problems and solutions, with variants which fit with all conceivable unique contexts, then maybe it will become possible for AI to provide useful assistance. It would be a good goal to do what I describe, as it would result in many fewer bugs in software. The risks then would be either misidentifying the problem (and therefore getting a solution which doesn't fit the need) or providing inaccurate context which allows for suboptimal selection of a predefined solution.

version_five 4y ago
> If we can build up an immense library of clearly defined problems and solutions, with variants which fit with all conceivable unique contexts, then maybe it will become possible for AI to provide useful assistance. Agreed. What you're describing (an immense library of problems and solutions) is essentially what's in the head of a very experienced developer. A system that helped surface those in a simple way for "new" problems so that people aren't constantly reinventing the wheel and making the same mistakes would be great. I've seen ideas about similar "tacit knowledge" systems in other domains (though I'm not sure there is a good one yet). For software, such a system would be way more helpful, and a much better goal, than this kind of idiot-savant gpt stuff
TylerE 4y ago
The interesting bit will be when the AI is smart enough to take an “easy” language like Typescript and convert it to rust or c++
- superkuh 4y ago
  It still won't help with setting up the development environment to be able to compile rust of the week or c++??. Both of which have dev communities which adopt forwards incompatible features fairly rapidly so the environment in your distro probably won't work as is. But eventually, maybe they AI will set that up too, https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2019/03/15/css-css-everywhere/ https://www.commitstrip.com/en/2019/03/15/css-css-everywhere...
intelVISA 4y ago
Programming is 10-20% of the job, sure it's fundamental but even if an AI could generate optimal code solutions for most use cases it'd still never replace us... ...probably.
Flozzin 4y ago
So what we need is an AI that completely understands the problem space and can tell us what to code.