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Public toplessness is also legal in most of the United States. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Public toplessness is also legal in most of the United States. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_State...

silisili 4y ago
Warning - Above link is NSFW(images of topless women). That said, I found it very interesting. I honestly had no idea it was legal anywhere outside of private or 'cordoned off' places.
- ekanes 4y ago
  For the folks downvoting the above comment, it doesn’t necessarily reflect a viewpoint (that you could disagree with) but could simply be a heads up for people at a workplace with policies against viewing that content at work. (A policy that you might also disagree with… but the warning itself is still useful to some.)
  - eyegouging 4y ago
    Yup, a lot of policies are dumb and and you can’t tilt all the time. A useful heads up for some I reckon.
  - misterS 4y ago
    I did not and can't downvote, no I have no stake in this. That said, in my opinion people working in such a workplace reading a post "Why “go nuts, show nuts” doesn’t work in 2022" should be savvy enough to not click links, or read the post in the first place. Also, ironically, the fact that we have to mark such links (to Wikipedia!) as NSFW is exactly what this particular comment chain is about, no?
    - Shocka1 4y ago
      Ah, the ol' Hacker News "being a contrarian just to be a contrarian" thing. Boobs on the screen isn't the greatest look at work or any public location, and I don't really think it requires going any deeper than that. I can appreciate the pointless debate here and there, but this isn't some great philosophical question we have here lol.
      - ghaff 4y ago
        Yeah. It's not just a prudish workplace policy thing. There is definitely stuff I wouldn't want on a screen in an office workplace policies notwithstanding because someone could take offense whether reasonably IMO or not. For that matter, there are almost certainly (non-porn) films I wouldn't go out of my way to watch on a plane especially if there were children nearby.
    - zigman1 4y ago
      You're overthinking it. Well, it's in the name right? Its not safe for work. I'm in a semi-full conference room currently, and opening the link would be a bit awkward, as it would be really out of context for osmeone who have a view onto my screen. It was definitely a valid remark, and in this case, it was useful at least for me.
      - jeffreygoesto 4y ago
        Then why don't you just work at work? Is it not awkward if your open a live gaming stream at work?
        lukas099 4y ago
        Reading HN is a normal thing to do in a lot of workplaces.
        jakzurr 4y ago
        Especially in a conference room; OMG the boredom. I'd always try to bring a technical manual or something, for when I got tired of being "a good boy."
      - OrderlyTiamat 4y ago
        I disagree that they're overthinking it, and you haven't addressed (or perhaps you overlooked?) their main point, that if this is true then you should have thought about that before opening _this_ link, instead of the links on this page. This is more to say that this is a disagreement between you two at the object level, not someone overthinking a simple matter.
    - LoganDark 4y ago
      Does HN give you the ability to downvote after some threshold? I still don't have it.
      - Cd00d 4y ago
        I think it's 500 karma - you've got 54...
  - silisili 4y ago
    Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't trying to be moral police, just warning folks of what was on the page. Like it or not, there are plenty of jobs that would be very unhappy with you viewing said images in an office setting.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  > I honestly had no idea it was legal anywhere outside of private or 'cordoned off' places. It generally isn't. The map image in the article colors a state blue for "legal at the State/Territory level". But that's not where the laws banning nudity come from anyway, so it's almost purely uninformative.
- deleted 4y ago
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- layer8 4y ago
  The fact that this apparently has to be categorized as NSFW is sad in itself.
  - arinlen 4y ago
- sterlind 4y ago
  Decency laws prohibiting toplessness were challenged back in the day under Equal Protection and Due Process. Both sexes have nipples, some men have larger moobs than women. There's just not much biological difference, and thus no basis to legislate on other than the sex of the person bearing their breasts - nipples are nipples, basically. This was all back in the day, long before trans awareness even hit the mainstream.
  - zaphirplane 4y ago
    > There's just not much biological difference, … - nipples are nipples I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me? [Meet the Parents]
    - InitialLastName 4y ago
      With the right hormones, stimulus, and/or medical issues you can get a male mammal's nipples to produce milk [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation
- int_19h 4y ago
  Images of topless women and men.
  - silisili 4y ago
    There are 9 topless women on the page, and 2 topless men if I counted right, who are both obscured and in the background. Like it or not, in some US workplaces, a background shirtless man isn't probably a big deal. A front and center topless lady in a thong probably is. I'd make the same declaration if it was a front and center pic of some dude in a banana hammock. I'm making no judgement on laws or society, just trying to give a heads up to folks who might not expect that from a wikipedia link.
giantg2 4y ago
"Public toplessness is also legal in most of the United States." Sort of. Many states don't have laws specifically against it, but some of the ones listed as legal on that map may not actually be (PA should be marked yellow at best). Most of these states also do not appear to restrict localities from enacting their own ordinances (obviously excluding under the jurisdictions where the courts have ruled).
- WesternWind 4y ago
  States often regulate nudity in places that serve alcohol though.
  - giantg2 4y ago
    And in schools, eating establishments, etc.
outworlder 4y ago
But not on TV and other media. They have to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Public toplessness is also legal in most of the United States. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topfreedom_in_the_United_State...

silisili 4y ago

Warning - Above link is NSFW(images of topless women). That said, I found it very interesting. I honestly had no idea it was legal anywhere outside of private or 'cordoned off' places.

ekanes 4y ago
For the folks downvoting the above comment, it doesn’t necessarily reflect a viewpoint (that you could disagree with) but could simply be a heads up for people at a workplace with policies against viewing that content at work. (A policy that you might also disagree with… but the warning itself is still useful to some.)
- eyegouging 4y ago
  Yup, a lot of policies are dumb and and you can’t tilt all the time. A useful heads up for some I reckon.
- misterS 4y ago
  I did not and can't downvote, no I have no stake in this. That said, in my opinion people working in such a workplace reading a post "Why “go nuts, show nuts” doesn’t work in 2022" should be savvy enough to not click links, or read the post in the first place. Also, ironically, the fact that we have to mark such links (to Wikipedia!) as NSFW is exactly what this particular comment chain is about, no?
  - Shocka1 4y ago
    Ah, the ol' Hacker News "being a contrarian just to be a contrarian" thing. Boobs on the screen isn't the greatest look at work or any public location, and I don't really think it requires going any deeper than that. I can appreciate the pointless debate here and there, but this isn't some great philosophical question we have here lol.
    - ghaff 4y ago
      Yeah. It's not just a prudish workplace policy thing. There is definitely stuff I wouldn't want on a screen in an office workplace policies notwithstanding because someone could take offense whether reasonably IMO or not. For that matter, there are almost certainly (non-porn) films I wouldn't go out of my way to watch on a plane especially if there were children nearby.
  - zigman1 4y ago
    You're overthinking it. Well, it's in the name right? Its not safe for work. I'm in a semi-full conference room currently, and opening the link would be a bit awkward, as it would be really out of context for osmeone who have a view onto my screen. It was definitely a valid remark, and in this case, it was useful at least for me.
    - jeffreygoesto 4y ago
      Then why don't you just work at work? Is it not awkward if your open a live gaming stream at work?
      - lukas099 4y ago
        Reading HN is a normal thing to do in a lot of workplaces.
        jakzurr 4y ago
        Especially in a conference room; OMG the boredom. I'd always try to bring a technical manual or something, for when I got tired of being "a good boy."
    - OrderlyTiamat 4y ago
      I disagree that they're overthinking it, and you haven't addressed (or perhaps you overlooked?) their main point, that if this is true then you should have thought about that before opening _this_ link, instead of the links on this page. This is more to say that this is a disagreement between you two at the object level, not someone overthinking a simple matter.
  - LoganDark 4y ago
    Does HN give you the ability to downvote after some threshold? I still don't have it.
    - Cd00d 4y ago
      I think it's 500 karma - you've got 54...
- silisili 4y ago
  Thanks for clarifying. I wasn't trying to be moral police, just warning folks of what was on the page. Like it or not, there are plenty of jobs that would be very unhappy with you viewing said images in an office setting.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
> I honestly had no idea it was legal anywhere outside of private or 'cordoned off' places. It generally isn't. The map image in the article colors a state blue for "legal at the State/Territory level". But that's not where the laws banning nudity come from anyway, so it's almost purely uninformative.
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layer8 4y ago
The fact that this apparently has to be categorized as NSFW is sad in itself.
- arinlen 4y ago
sterlind 4y ago
Decency laws prohibiting toplessness were challenged back in the day under Equal Protection and Due Process. Both sexes have nipples, some men have larger moobs than women. There's just not much biological difference, and thus no basis to legislate on other than the sex of the person bearing their breasts - nipples are nipples, basically. This was all back in the day, long before trans awareness even hit the mainstream.
- zaphirplane 4y ago
  > There's just not much biological difference, … - nipples are nipples I have nipples, Greg. Can you milk me? [Meet the Parents]
  - InitialLastName 4y ago
    With the right hormones, stimulus, and/or medical issues you can get a male mammal's nipples to produce milk [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation
int_19h 4y ago
Images of topless women and men.
- silisili 4y ago
  There are 9 topless women on the page, and 2 topless men if I counted right, who are both obscured and in the background. Like it or not, in some US workplaces, a background shirtless man isn't probably a big deal. A front and center topless lady in a thong probably is. I'd make the same declaration if it was a front and center pic of some dude in a banana hammock. I'm making no judgement on laws or society, just trying to give a heads up to folks who might not expect that from a wikipedia link.

giantg2 4y ago

"Public toplessness is also legal in most of the United States." Sort of. Many states don't have laws specifically against it, but some of the ones listed as legal on that map may not actually be (PA should be marked yellow at best). Most of these states also do not appear to restrict localities from enacting their own ordinances (obviously excluding under the jurisdictions where the courts have ruled).

WesternWind 4y ago
States often regulate nudity in places that serve alcohol though.
- giantg2 4y ago
  And in schools, eating establishments, etc.

outworlder 4y ago

But not on TV and other media. They have to cater to the lowest common denominator.