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Just my opinion but I think that non-interventionism should be promoted here. Especially when it comes to political situations like this. It’s a dangerous game.
by ethotool 4y ago
Just my opinion but I think that non-interventionism should be promoted here. Especially when it comes to political situations like this. It’s a dangerous game.
- rany_ 4y agoI agree, but if you're never going to step foot in Iran and have no contacts there then I don't see why not.
- ethotool 4y agoActually that’s a selfish way to look at it. You’re putting other peoples lives at risk inside the country. Anyone could easily decide to contribute compromised and malware infected VPN or TOR servers that will in actuality log traffic.
- pazimzadeh 4y agoThey are literally asking for help.
- rcarr 4y ago"Of course, you know of the Prime Directive, which tells us that we have no right to interfere with the natural evolution of alien worlds. Now I have sworn to uphold it, but nevertheless I have disregarded that directive on more than one occasion because I thought it was the right thing to do. Now, if you are holding on to some temporal equivalent of that directive, then isn't it possible that you have an occasion here to make an exception, to help me to choose, because it's the right thing to do?" Jean-Luc Picard
- d0mine 4y agoThe prime directive is not for peer civilization. Iran is not on a stone age (yet).
- rcarr 4y agoAllow me to introduce you to: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor
- pessimizer 4y agoThe objection was to your metaphor.
- rcarr 4y agoA metaphor is never going to cleanly map from one situation across to another. If it did, we would have no need for the metaphor as we would just have two identical scenarios. The metaphor’s purpose is to elucidate insight in one matter by presenting another with some similarities. If you’re going to object to a metaphor, I think you should do it on the grounds that it offers little to no insight into the situation. In my opinion, if you’re going to object to the above quote based on the fact that Iran is, in terms of infrastructure if not politically, well developed then you may as well also disregard it because Iranians are not an alien species and software developers are not captains of space ships. To use another metaphor: you’re losing the forest for the trees. Please don’t object to this on the grounds that there is no foliage on the bridge of the USS Enterprise.
- d0mine 4y agoYour metaphor would work if we discussed whether or not to contact some isolated tribe in Amazon. Then we could have discussed pro/cons of destroying someone way of life by introducing our civilization vs. turning a blind eye to the poor (by our standards) living conditions of the tribe. Iran (even if you don't like its political system) is not it.
- rcarr 4y agoThe metaphor obviously doesn’t resonate with you. It does resonate for myself and for 13 other people. I wish you well and hope you find something more to your liking.
- Centigonal 4y agoI think non-interventionism is a good choice for governments that are addicted to foreign adventurism. I think non-interventionism is a bad choice for individuals with the power to help people under repressive regimes communicate with the outside world.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 4y agoIt is not a game. Governments around the world, big and small have been seen turning internet off at the first sign of trouble. It only makes sense that we provide a way for the population to circumvent those efforts. As flawed as internet is, I still think it is worth defending and protecting from government overreach. I will say even more. Other governments are watching and likely debating what could be used on their respective turfs. Something to think about.
- neodypsis 4y agoStar-link + widespread mesh network nodes? Although, what about jammers?
- nanch 4y agoI support non-interventionism as a default mode for public policy. I also support the rights of private citizens living in a free society to act on their own behalf, however they see fit. That's not a dangerous game, that's an excercise of the rights protected by the society they are part of.
- ummonk 4y agoI don't see how providing internet connections to people in Iran constitutes intervention. What they do with those connections is up to them.
- pessimizer 4y agoUnless you have a personal political opinion about it. I personally support Iran, I support the Iranian government (as an existing middle eastern democracy), and I support the Iranian people. I am against oppressive theocracies, and I support Iranian citizens doing what is necessary to loosen or free themselves from the hold of how they express their faith being dictated from above. In my opinion, any methods to help Iranian people to help them shake this control that aren't covert Western attacks on Iran or Islam are a good thing. Helping the protestors to communicate with each other is one of the most neutral, anodyne things you can do. For me, legitimate government is created through discussions, plans, and agreements among the governed. Any disruption of that is despotism. Maybe, one day, Iranians will be helping us protest.
- LinuxBender 4y agoIt’s a dangerous game. That it is. When their society has reached a tipping point where women are burning their hijabs in the street in front of massive groups and cameras I think they have decided to not hide in the shadows and are willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe in. Many of them are likely to have unspeakable things done to them. I suspect they know the sacrifices they are making and willing to take risks. Godspeed to them.
- thret 4y agoHow insane is it that women are risking death by burning a hijab, and as you say 'willing to sacrifice themselves for what they believe in'. LISTER: Do you mean they had a war over whether the doughnut diner hats were red or blue? HOLLY: Yeah. Most of them were killed fighting about that. It's daft really, innit? LISTER: You're not kidding. They were supposed to be green.
- ArnoVW 4y agoThey are risking death for not challenging the status quo.