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> Sex slaves and porn are a thing and a problem. There's both more of it and more awareness of it. In many places there are laws about this that companies who p

> Sex slaves and porn are a thing and a problem. There's both more of it and more awareness of it. In many places there are laws about this that companies who process money have to take in to account. Citation needed. Unless you're taking about CSAM shared on the dark web, I seriously doubt that sex slaves account for any significant portion of pornography. The only way I can see this being true is with a very wide definition of "sex slave" that includes someone doing porn to pay for rent. #3 was no less true in the 2000s - I can attest to that myself.

spookie 4y ago
Come on now... Do you really think some of the pr0n out there was consented upon by all parties? Let's be real. Even the largest pr0n sites have had a shit ton of cases come to surface, which should've put them out of business for good. And yes, some of it is about sex slavery. The pr0n industry is all rotten. Great to see legit, humane alternatives gaining traction, don't get me wrong. But, most of it, is just pure misery.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  What is the motive to producing non-consensual pornography? The risks are large: you're literally recording yourself committing a felony and publishing evidence of the crime to the world. Most porn production companies are looking to make a profit, not land themselves in jail. In the US, there's regulations to ensure all actors are of age and consented to recording [1]. 1. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257
  - tsol 4y ago
    What's the motive to producing pornography? Because it gets someone off.
    - Manuel_D 4y ago
      People are investing in pornography production companies because they just like to get people off? No, the goal of production companies is to make money. The goal of the consumer is to get off, but the production company's goal absolutely is to money. As other commenters have pointed out [1] non-consensual pornography is indistinguishable to viewers from consensual pornography, so the risk of filming yourself commit rape and uploading evidence of the crime to the internet is not a decision I can see productions companies being keen on making. For a very loose idea of "sex trafficking" that includes people deciding to work in porn to make ends meet - but at this point you could say your janitors are being trafficked because they wouldn't do their job if they didn't have to pay rent. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33028286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33028286
- concordDance 4y ago
  In the same way a bus company shouldn't be liable for transporting a wanted criminal a porn provider shouldn't be liable for nonconsensual porn.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    They should take it down in a timely manner, which most sites do.
sneak 4y ago
I used to have your view, then I learned about the amount of porn production that happens via organized crime that traffics young (17-22) girls for this express purpose. It looks the same as “normal” stuff. You can’t tell from watching it.
- mrkramer 4y ago
  I assume you speak about East Europe and perhaps South America but most of them are lured into porn not forced.
  - Loranubi 4y ago
    Lured and forced can be very similar though. Especially if poverty, mental illness or similar are involved. Plus the fact that many people aren't really 'adults' when they turn 18.
- stuckonempty 4y ago
  You also can’t tell if what you’re saying is factual because you’ve provided no source
  - sneak 4y ago
    I’m not trying to persuade you to believe me. I’m trying to persuade you to be skeptical of claims that it is approximately zero.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  > I learned about the amount of porn production that happens via organized crime that traffics young (17-22) girls for this express purpose. I know of one instance [1] of criminal porn production, and it involved deception and fraud rather than kidnapping women - which, to be clear, is still terrible and should be prosecuted. And it ended with the people in charge getting convicted and imprisoned. I am not at all convinced that a substantial portion of legal pornography involves organized crime. Again, the logistics of producing content that also serves as video evidence of a crime is difficult to overcome. If there is evidence that this is more widespread, it'd be good of you to share it. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GirlsDoPorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GirlsDoPorn
1659447091 4y ago
There are quite a few resources and stories available if you have a real interest in learning about it. The term 'sex trafficking' is more widely used than 'sex slaves' for what is being discussed. https://theexodusroad.com/porn-and-human-trafficking-the-facts-you-need-to-know/ https://theexodusroad.com/porn-and-human-trafficking-the-fac... https://fightthenewdrug.org/by-the-numbers-porn-sex-trafficking-connected/ https://fightthenewdrug.org/by-the-numbers-porn-sex-traffick... https://exoduscry.com/articles/here-are-the-biggest-cases-of-trafficking-in-porn/ https://exoduscry.com/articles/here-are-the-biggest-cases-of... https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/01/12/heres-how-your-porn-habit-could-be-helping-human-sex-traffickers/ https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/01/12/heres-how-your-porn-habit-... https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/the-relationship-between-porn-and-human-trafficking https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/the-relationship...
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  To be blunt, these sorts of articles are precisely why I'm skeptical of the claim that sex-trafficking is a significant portion of pornography. Nowhere in any of these links is there a claim for what percentage of pornography features non-consensual or trafficked actors, and details about the methods used to arrive at that figure. Instead, the articles either focus on anecdotes (e.g. "California Substitute Teacher Filmed and Profited off of Incest") or broad statistics non-specific to pornography, (e.g. "By some estimates, 4.8 million people are trapped or forced into sexual exploitation globally.) Nobody doubts that there are instances of non-consensual pornography. But 50 people out of 13 million is a small, small percentage.
  - techdragon 4y ago
    It’s 0.00038462% and I completely agree with your point that the majority of this discourse is based on anecdotes and non specific statistics, I don’t support slavery of any kind but I also don’t support pressuring social change based on bullshit. I’ve had it happen to me once for a small and largely inconsequential thing arbitrarily banned by my state government and I will never stand for it again it’s a feeling of powerless violation for nearly zero genuine social good, yes there’s probably some, but it was like this, on the order of a few police officers less inconvenienced each week.

spookie 4y ago

Come on now... Do you really think some of the pr0n out there was consented upon by all parties? Let's be real. Even the largest pr0n sites have had a shit ton of cases come to surface, which should've put them out of business for good. And yes, some of it is about sex slavery. The pr0n industry is all rotten. Great to see legit, humane alternatives gaining traction, don't get me wrong. But, most of it, is just pure misery.

Manuel_D 4y ago
What is the motive to producing non-consensual pornography? The risks are large: you're literally recording yourself committing a felony and publishing evidence of the crime to the world. Most porn production companies are looking to make a profit, not land themselves in jail. In the US, there's regulations to ensure all actors are of age and consented to recording [1]. 1. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257
- tsol 4y ago
  What's the motive to producing pornography? Because it gets someone off.
  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    People are investing in pornography production companies because they just like to get people off? No, the goal of production companies is to make money. The goal of the consumer is to get off, but the production company's goal absolutely is to money. As other commenters have pointed out [1] non-consensual pornography is indistinguishable to viewers from consensual pornography, so the risk of filming yourself commit rape and uploading evidence of the crime to the internet is not a decision I can see productions companies being keen on making. For a very loose idea of "sex trafficking" that includes people deciding to work in porn to make ends meet - but at this point you could say your janitors are being trafficked because they wouldn't do their job if they didn't have to pay rent. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33028286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33028286
concordDance 4y ago
In the same way a bus company shouldn't be liable for transporting a wanted criminal a porn provider shouldn't be liable for nonconsensual porn.
- Manuel_D 4y ago
  They should take it down in a timely manner, which most sites do.

sneak 4y ago

I used to have your view, then I learned about the amount of porn production that happens via organized crime that traffics young (17-22) girls for this express purpose. It looks the same as “normal” stuff. You can’t tell from watching it.

mrkramer 4y ago
I assume you speak about East Europe and perhaps South America but most of them are lured into porn not forced.
- Loranubi 4y ago
  Lured and forced can be very similar though. Especially if poverty, mental illness or similar are involved. Plus the fact that many people aren't really 'adults' when they turn 18.
stuckonempty 4y ago
You also can’t tell if what you’re saying is factual because you’ve provided no source
- sneak 4y ago
  I’m not trying to persuade you to believe me. I’m trying to persuade you to be skeptical of claims that it is approximately zero.
Manuel_D 4y ago
> I learned about the amount of porn production that happens via organized crime that traffics young (17-22) girls for this express purpose. I know of one instance [1] of criminal porn production, and it involved deception and fraud rather than kidnapping women - which, to be clear, is still terrible and should be prosecuted. And it ended with the people in charge getting convicted and imprisoned. I am not at all convinced that a substantial portion of legal pornography involves organized crime. Again, the logistics of producing content that also serves as video evidence of a crime is difficult to overcome. If there is evidence that this is more widespread, it'd be good of you to share it. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GirlsDoPorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GirlsDoPorn

1659447091 4y ago

There are quite a few resources and stories available if you have a real interest in learning about it. The term 'sex trafficking' is more widely used than 'sex slaves' for what is being discussed. https://theexodusroad.com/porn-and-human-trafficking-the-facts-you-need-to-know/ https://theexodusroad.com/porn-and-human-trafficking-the-fac... https://fightthenewdrug.org/by-the-numbers-porn-sex-trafficking-connected/ https://fightthenewdrug.org/by-the-numbers-porn-sex-traffick... https://exoduscry.com/articles/here-are-the-biggest-cases-of-trafficking-in-porn/ https://exoduscry.com/articles/here-are-the-biggest-cases-of... https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/01/12/heres-how-your-porn-habit-could-be-helping-human-sex-traffickers/ https://nbc-2.com/news/2021/01/12/heres-how-your-porn-habit-... https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/the-relationship-between-porn-and-human-trafficking https://www.endslaverynow.org/blog/articles/the-relationship...

Manuel_D 4y ago
To be blunt, these sorts of articles are precisely why I'm skeptical of the claim that sex-trafficking is a significant portion of pornography. Nowhere in any of these links is there a claim for what percentage of pornography features non-consensual or trafficked actors, and details about the methods used to arrive at that figure. Instead, the articles either focus on anecdotes (e.g. "California Substitute Teacher Filmed and Profited off of Incest") or broad statistics non-specific to pornography, (e.g. "By some estimates, 4.8 million people are trapped or forced into sexual exploitation globally.) Nobody doubts that there are instances of non-consensual pornography. But 50 people out of 13 million is a small, small percentage.
- techdragon 4y ago
  It’s 0.00038462% and I completely agree with your point that the majority of this discourse is based on anecdotes and non specific statistics, I don’t support slavery of any kind but I also don’t support pressuring social change based on bullshit. I’ve had it happen to me once for a small and largely inconsequential thing arbitrarily banned by my state government and I will never stand for it again it’s a feeling of powerless violation for nearly zero genuine social good, yes there’s probably some, but it was like this, on the order of a few police officers less inconvenienced each week.