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My impression is that Google actively tries to hedge. They are aware of the fragility of the ads business. But it's difficult to set up a business when your ba

My impression is that Google actively tries to hedge. They are aware of the fragility of the ads business. But it's difficult to set up a business when your baseline is "Google Ads". I thought they have it with Cloud. I'm still puzzled how it went wrong.

oefnak 4y ago
Their cloud is better, or at least I like their interface better, but how do you know they won't just shut it off? Azure or Amazon are safer choices.
- pas 4y ago
  they won't, it makes a lot of money, it's b2b, etc. gcp has a lot of business continuity guarantees. still, I don't recommend them. because google acts like a dangerous savant at this point.
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obviouslynotme 4y ago
People only put up with GCP because AWS is owned by Amazon, a notoriously ruthless company. AWS is better from the perspectives of API stability, customer support, and third party support, aka the primary things cloud customers care about. Now that Microsoft has Azure, they are going to crush GCP into the ground and there is nothing Google can do to stop it even though Google invented most modern cloud technology.
- mr_toad 4y ago
  Azure has been around for > 10 years. If they’re planning on crushing GCP then they’re taking their sweet time about it.
  - chillfox 4y ago
    Sure, but they have only really been on the radar of traditional IT teams for the last 3 or so years.
- ncmncm 4y ago
  Why should anybody at Azure care more than anybody at Google? Both are comfortable. People at companies like this are only provoked to action by what affects company revenue, whether increasing it or preventing loss. And hardly anything can be demonstrated to have direct effect on revenue. (Certainly, unhappy users don't, as Microsoft was first to discover.)
- tinyhouse 4y ago
  Haha what a joke. First, Azure is around as long as GCP. As someone in tech I can tell you that GCP and AWS are used everywhere and no one is talking about Azure. I think their fast growth as reported in their earnings is due to their office cloud services and not "core" cloud services.
  - chestervonwinch 4y ago
    > As someone in tech ... ... you do realize that goes for 99% of people posting here? In my biased experience in consulting for ~4 years, the distribution is more like 80/10/10 for AWS/GCP/Azure.
  - blue_cookeh 4y ago
    Yet anecdotally I see an _awful_ lot of Azure use in traditional corporate IT teams looking to move away from onprem...
idunno246 4y ago
I’m not, it’s the other problem after the promo issue. Google is an engineering only company, if you aren’t an engineer you’re second class. So engineers see a cool problem like live migration and solve that. But they do an awful job at building a product customers want(product managers), and supporting(customer support, marketing) that. If you look at stadia, they built the cool streaming platform, but failed to actually sell it.
- markdestouches 4y ago
  Wasn't stadia absolutely dreadful at release with lags, bugs, stutter and shutdowns?

oefnak 4y ago

Their cloud is better, or at least I like their interface better, but how do you know they won't just shut it off? Azure or Amazon are safer choices.

pas 4y ago
they won't, it makes a lot of money, it's b2b, etc. gcp has a lot of business continuity guarantees. still, I don't recommend them. because google acts like a dangerous savant at this point.
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obviouslynotme 4y ago

People only put up with GCP because AWS is owned by Amazon, a notoriously ruthless company. AWS is better from the perspectives of API stability, customer support, and third party support, aka the primary things cloud customers care about. Now that Microsoft has Azure, they are going to crush GCP into the ground and there is nothing Google can do to stop it even though Google invented most modern cloud technology.

mr_toad 4y ago
Azure has been around for > 10 years. If they’re planning on crushing GCP then they’re taking their sweet time about it.
- chillfox 4y ago
  Sure, but they have only really been on the radar of traditional IT teams for the last 3 or so years.
ncmncm 4y ago
Why should anybody at Azure care more than anybody at Google? Both are comfortable. People at companies like this are only provoked to action by what affects company revenue, whether increasing it or preventing loss. And hardly anything can be demonstrated to have direct effect on revenue. (Certainly, unhappy users don't, as Microsoft was first to discover.)
tinyhouse 4y ago
Haha what a joke. First, Azure is around as long as GCP. As someone in tech I can tell you that GCP and AWS are used everywhere and no one is talking about Azure. I think their fast growth as reported in their earnings is due to their office cloud services and not "core" cloud services.
- chestervonwinch 4y ago
  > As someone in tech ... ... you do realize that goes for 99% of people posting here? In my biased experience in consulting for ~4 years, the distribution is more like 80/10/10 for AWS/GCP/Azure.
- blue_cookeh 4y ago
  Yet anecdotally I see an _awful_ lot of Azure use in traditional corporate IT teams looking to move away from onprem...

idunno246 4y ago

I’m not, it’s the other problem after the promo issue. Google is an engineering only company, if you aren’t an engineer you’re second class. So engineers see a cool problem like live migration and solve that. But they do an awful job at building a product customers want(product managers), and supporting(customer support, marketing) that. If you look at stadia, they built the cool streaming platform, but failed to actually sell it.

markdestouches 4y ago
Wasn't stadia absolutely dreadful at release with lags, bugs, stutter and shutdowns?