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> Do you seriously struggle to think of possible reasons for why someone would want to work for Meta? Yes, I struggle to think of a good reason to work for suc

> Do you seriously struggle to think of possible reasons for why someone would want to work for Meta? Yes, I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta. People usually don't land there because of a desperate need for money, which would probably be one of the very few acceptable reasons for joining that company. And why should my question be in good faith? Why should we not call out people who cheerfully join organizations that pose a threat to our future, and show no civic responsibility?

filoleg 4y ago
> I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta WhatsApp is an extremely useful product in my life. Instagram is nice for keeping up to date with some friends I don't get a chance to hangout in-person with often, as well as following some small local artist and museum pages. I dont care for FB as a product anymore, but pre-pandemic it was great for helping organize events with my friends. Oculus Quest 2 is a product I use daily and enjoy. Most people outside of a subset of HN boiling in their own echochamber consider a lot of those products as useful in their lives, and will just give you the look of "huh, sounds interesting, i will look into it later. Oh, just remembered I had an appointment in an hour, welp gotta go, see ya later" if you try to give them that "harmful" spiel. > And why should my question be in good faith? Because that's what people come to HN for. If I wanted bad faith takes galore, I would need to go no further than reddit. > Why should we not call out people who cheerfully join organizations that pose a threat to our future, and show no civic responsibility? Because that's just your opinion. And it is sliding into QAnon-level justifications for using arguments like "why should we wear masks, when they pose a threat to our freedoms and the way of life!" and "why should we not storm the capitol, it is a civic responsibility to free ourselves from the shadow cabal's tyrrany and threat to our future!". I don't agree with those QAnon takes, so I hope you realize that not everyone universally agrees with your takes either. And not because they are being paid by Meta or were "brainwashed".
- dessant 4y ago
- int_19h 4y ago
  I see a lot more negativity towards Facebook IRL than I do here on HN. If anything, the correlation seems to be that those closest to the tech industry are the ones most positive about it, while casual users are extremely negative.
BeetleB 4y ago
> Yes, I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta. It seems you also struggle to understand that the majority of the world does not consider them to be a harmful company, and do not agree with your assessment of it. Anti-disclaimer: I do not work for FAANG, nor have I. I also never had a FB/Instagram account. I'm not fond of Facebook, but I can see other people's perspectives.
UncleMeat 4y ago
> Yes, I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta. Then you aren't actually asking to learn. Instead you are judging the poster. That's a thing you can do, but couching it in a question is terrible forum etiquette.
stale2002 4y ago
Ah, so it was a bad faith question all along! You only asked him his reason, so you could attack him for it. Just go and say what you really meant, instead of pretending like you had anything to contribute in the first place. That way, at least the reasonable people can see what you wrote, and hopefully get you deplatformed.
- dessant 4y ago
  - filoleg 4y ago
    > it's surprising that a person would share this publicly at this point in the company's history. This is the part that tells me that maybe you are a bit out of touch with the general public. Go to any college campus or talk to any student in a good CS program in the US. Meta is going to be on the list of some of the most sought after companies to get an internship or a fresh grad offer at. People post glowing humblebrag posts on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/TikTok/LinkedIn/etc. when they get a job offer from Meta, for their friends and followers to see. I see it on my own feeds not that rarely, and often from people I went to college with a while ago. I cannot really feel the same level of excitement about a job like that to share it with others in a similar way. But you finding it "surprising that a person would share [that they got a job at Meta] publicly at this point in the company's history", as if it was something they would be ashamed about and attempt hiding, is somewhat telling.
  - stale2002 4y ago
    > Now if this warrants deplatforming in the eyes of a resonable person What warrants deplatforming is your straight up admitance that you had nothing to contribute, were not acting in good faith, and were just asking a question to attack someone. Just say it with your chest. That way people can judge for themselves what the heck it is you are doing.
    - dessant 4y ago
      I think you're the one who's attacking users here. Asking why someone would join a company is not an attack, even if I have my reservations about the company, and I had no plans to further interact with them, but probably continue to have my opinions about their choice, unless they make a compelling argument. My question was not made in bad faith, but insinuated to be a bad faith question by a different user, though as I said, I do understand the people who directly call out Meta employees, which I did not do here. It is you and your peer who attacked the question, brought up conspiracy theories and called for deplatforming. So if you continue perhaps I'll be the one to reach out to mods. I have every damn right to ask someone on HN why they would work for Meta, without expecting intimidation from other users. And yes, I continue to be surprised by people who would join Meta given all the shady and illegal things they've been doing over the years. So maybe one of you could give an honest answer, one that does not involve an attack. Maybe they weren't fully aware of Meta's issues, or people there generally don't care about these problems? That is what I was trying to understand.
yibg 4y ago
Where do you work? I'm sure we can find some good reasons why that's a harmful place too.

filoleg 4y ago

> I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta WhatsApp is an extremely useful product in my life. Instagram is nice for keeping up to date with some friends I don't get a chance to hangout in-person with often, as well as following some small local artist and museum pages. I dont care for FB as a product anymore, but pre-pandemic it was great for helping organize events with my friends. Oculus Quest 2 is a product I use daily and enjoy. Most people outside of a subset of HN boiling in their own echochamber consider a lot of those products as useful in their lives, and will just give you the look of "huh, sounds interesting, i will look into it later. Oh, just remembered I had an appointment in an hour, welp gotta go, see ya later" if you try to give them that "harmful" spiel. > And why should my question be in good faith? Because that's what people come to HN for. If I wanted bad faith takes galore, I would need to go no further than reddit. > Why should we not call out people who cheerfully join organizations that pose a threat to our future, and show no civic responsibility? Because that's just your opinion. And it is sliding into QAnon-level justifications for using arguments like "why should we wear masks, when they pose a threat to our freedoms and the way of life!" and "why should we not storm the capitol, it is a civic responsibility to free ourselves from the shadow cabal's tyrrany and threat to our future!". I don't agree with those QAnon takes, so I hope you realize that not everyone universally agrees with your takes either. And not because they are being paid by Meta or were "brainwashed".

dessant 4y ago
int_19h 4y ago
I see a lot more negativity towards Facebook IRL than I do here on HN. If anything, the correlation seems to be that those closest to the tech industry are the ones most positive about it, while casual users are extremely negative.

BeetleB 4y ago

> Yes, I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta. It seems you also struggle to understand that the majority of the world does not consider them to be a harmful company, and do not agree with your assessment of it. Anti-disclaimer: I do not work for FAANG, nor have I. I also never had a FB/Instagram account. I'm not fond of Facebook, but I can see other people's perspectives.

UncleMeat 4y ago

> Yes, I struggle to think of a good reason to work for such a harmful company as Meta. Then you aren't actually asking to learn. Instead you are judging the poster. That's a thing you can do, but couching it in a question is terrible forum etiquette.

stale2002 4y ago

Ah, so it was a bad faith question all along! You only asked him his reason, so you could attack him for it. Just go and say what you really meant, instead of pretending like you had anything to contribute in the first place. That way, at least the reasonable people can see what you wrote, and hopefully get you deplatformed.

dessant 4y ago
- filoleg 4y ago
  > it's surprising that a person would share this publicly at this point in the company's history. This is the part that tells me that maybe you are a bit out of touch with the general public. Go to any college campus or talk to any student in a good CS program in the US. Meta is going to be on the list of some of the most sought after companies to get an internship or a fresh grad offer at. People post glowing humblebrag posts on Facebook/Twitter/Instagram/TikTok/LinkedIn/etc. when they get a job offer from Meta, for their friends and followers to see. I see it on my own feeds not that rarely, and often from people I went to college with a while ago. I cannot really feel the same level of excitement about a job like that to share it with others in a similar way. But you finding it "surprising that a person would share [that they got a job at Meta] publicly at this point in the company's history", as if it was something they would be ashamed about and attempt hiding, is somewhat telling.
- stale2002 4y ago
  > Now if this warrants deplatforming in the eyes of a resonable person What warrants deplatforming is your straight up admitance that you had nothing to contribute, were not acting in good faith, and were just asking a question to attack someone. Just say it with your chest. That way people can judge for themselves what the heck it is you are doing.
  - dessant 4y ago
    I think you're the one who's attacking users here. Asking why someone would join a company is not an attack, even if I have my reservations about the company, and I had no plans to further interact with them, but probably continue to have my opinions about their choice, unless they make a compelling argument. My question was not made in bad faith, but insinuated to be a bad faith question by a different user, though as I said, I do understand the people who directly call out Meta employees, which I did not do here. It is you and your peer who attacked the question, brought up conspiracy theories and called for deplatforming. So if you continue perhaps I'll be the one to reach out to mods. I have every damn right to ask someone on HN why they would work for Meta, without expecting intimidation from other users. And yes, I continue to be surprised by people who would join Meta given all the shady and illegal things they've been doing over the years. So maybe one of you could give an honest answer, one that does not involve an attack. Maybe they weren't fully aware of Meta's issues, or people there generally don't care about these problems? That is what I was trying to understand.

yibg 4y ago

Where do you work? I'm sure we can find some good reasons why that's a harmful place too.