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> Anyway, France is full blown nuclear state ... ... with a fuel cycle that goes through a breeder in Seversk, Russia ... with no long term plan for low radio

> Anyway, France is full blown nuclear state ... ... with a fuel cycle that goes through a breeder in Seversk, Russia ... with no long term plan for low radioactive waste and contaminated equipment ... with almost no uranium deposits worth exploiting left as is true for all of europa

ohgodplsno 4y ago
No, what is sent to Seversk is not just the spent fuel, but also radioactive material that was used during the treatment of the spent fuel. No, the fuel cycle doesn't depend on Seversk, the contract from EDF was signed in 2018 (and EDF says that nothing was sent yet) No, this is not even the fuel cycle, Orano signed a contract with Rosatom so that they could send spent URT and Rosatom uses it for their own reactors. Literally selling spent fuel (instead of burying it) No, you are lying, there are plans both for long term storage (Cigeo) and for low radioactive waste which the Andra handles. (https://www.irsn.fr/FR/connaissances/Installations_nucleaires/dechets-radioactifs/gestion-stockage-dechets-radioactifs/Pages/1-dechets-radioactifs-differents-types.aspx#.YzX3CaS-jqt https://www.irsn.fr/FR/connaissances/Installations_nucleaire...) No, you are lying once again. The uranium deposits are not worth exploiting because it is currently cheaper to get mines in say, Niger, but Europe still has large potential mining sites, and extracting it from lignite is easy. So, no, your sources are Greenpeace and are lying.
- Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
  >> No, the fuel cycle doesn't depend on Seversk + "Literally selling spent fuel" (instead of burying it) well, if you put it that way, then the fuel cycle doesn't even exist at all, france just imports fresh uranium from Russia, Nigeria, Kazhakstan and Australia and sells spent fuel to Russia. > and EDF says that nothing was sent yet under that new contract maybe, here is an article from 2009 in which EDF "told news agency AFP that it is only “recyclable uranium from fuel processing at EDF nuclear power stations that is transported to Russia to be enriched.” - rfi.fr/actuen/articles/118/article_5481.asp > No, you are lying once again. The uranium deposits are not worth exploiting that is literally what i said. They are not worth exploiting > So, no, your sources are Greenpeace and are lying. that is just low effort insults, here have an IAEA uranium deposit database: https://infcis.iaea.org/UDEPO/ https://infcis.iaea.org/UDEPO/ France largest "reserves" are the trace amounts in the rocks around a mine they closed 21 years ago. Even if the price rises to a point where exploitation of those trace amounts becomes worthwhile again, there are no large reserves in europa, we are talking a demand in the thousands of tons per year. The nuclear industry in europa depends on imports, stop peddling some makebelieve about large untapped reserves with which europa could theoretically become energy independent if they would just use them. It is nonsensical
  - hypertele-Xii 4y ago
    > we are talking a demand in the thousands of tons per year. France has 56 nuclear plants in operation. A cursory web search puts a 1TW reactor at about 30 tonnes of processed uranium per year. 56*30=1680.
    - Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
      8200 tons per year according to: https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-pr... 8700 tons per year according to: https://www.statista.com/statistics/264796/uranium-consumption-leading-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/264796/uranium-consumpti... quite hard to find good numbers, but the size "thousands of tons" seems to fit. The thread starter proposed that Europa, not only France, should build more nuclear power plants, so we may even be in the tens of thousands of tons per year for the whole continent.

ohgodplsno 4y ago

No, what is sent to Seversk is not just the spent fuel, but also radioactive material that was used during the treatment of the spent fuel. No, the fuel cycle doesn't depend on Seversk, the contract from EDF was signed in 2018 (and EDF says that nothing was sent yet) No, this is not even the fuel cycle, Orano signed a contract with Rosatom so that they could send spent URT and Rosatom uses it for their own reactors. Literally selling spent fuel (instead of burying it) No, you are lying, there are plans both for long term storage (Cigeo) and for low radioactive waste which the Andra handles. (https://www.irsn.fr/FR/connaissances/Installations_nucleaires/dechets-radioactifs/gestion-stockage-dechets-radioactifs/Pages/1-dechets-radioactifs-differents-types.aspx#.YzX3CaS-jqt https://www.irsn.fr/FR/connaissances/Installations_nucleaire...) No, you are lying once again. The uranium deposits are not worth exploiting because it is currently cheaper to get mines in say, Niger, but Europe still has large potential mining sites, and extracting it from lignite is easy. So, no, your sources are Greenpeace and are lying.

Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
>> No, the fuel cycle doesn't depend on Seversk + "Literally selling spent fuel" (instead of burying it) well, if you put it that way, then the fuel cycle doesn't even exist at all, france just imports fresh uranium from Russia, Nigeria, Kazhakstan and Australia and sells spent fuel to Russia. > and EDF says that nothing was sent yet under that new contract maybe, here is an article from 2009 in which EDF "told news agency AFP that it is only “recyclable uranium from fuel processing at EDF nuclear power stations that is transported to Russia to be enriched.” - rfi.fr/actuen/articles/118/article_5481.asp > No, you are lying once again. The uranium deposits are not worth exploiting that is literally what i said. They are not worth exploiting > So, no, your sources are Greenpeace and are lying. that is just low effort insults, here have an IAEA uranium deposit database: https://infcis.iaea.org/UDEPO/ https://infcis.iaea.org/UDEPO/ France largest "reserves" are the trace amounts in the rocks around a mine they closed 21 years ago. Even if the price rises to a point where exploitation of those trace amounts becomes worthwhile again, there are no large reserves in europa, we are talking a demand in the thousands of tons per year. The nuclear industry in europa depends on imports, stop peddling some makebelieve about large untapped reserves with which europa could theoretically become energy independent if they would just use them. It is nonsensical
- hypertele-Xii 4y ago
  > we are talking a demand in the thousands of tons per year. France has 56 nuclear plants in operation. A cursory web search puts a 1TW reactor at about 30 tonnes of processed uranium per year. 56*30=1680.
  - Jon_Lowtek 4y ago
    8200 tons per year according to: https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-profiles/countries-a-f/france.aspx https://www.world-nuclear.org/information-library/country-pr... 8700 tons per year according to: https://www.statista.com/statistics/264796/uranium-consumption-leading-countries/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/264796/uranium-consumpti... quite hard to find good numbers, but the size "thousands of tons" seems to fit. The thread starter proposed that Europa, not only France, should build more nuclear power plants, so we may even be in the tens of thousands of tons per year for the whole continent.