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There's a much lower standard than "AAA gaming" which still delivers massive value to most users in running a desktop environment. Also, the Apple GPU has evol

by bri3d 4y ago

There's a much lower standard than "AAA gaming" which still delivers massive value to most users in running a desktop environment. Also, the Apple GPU has evolved from PowerVR roots dating back to the 1990s. It is fairly safe to assume that the next generation of Apple GPU will share enough with the current generation that in 3 years, supporting whatever new hardware exists will be incremental rather than transformative ground-up work. This was already the case for M1 into M2.

vbezhenar 4y ago
I don't really understand what's the difference between AAA game and Google Chrome? I thought that modern applications heavily use GPU acceleration. Is it some subset of GPU commands that's required for desktop, compared to AAA game? Is it possible that Google Chrome will crash the OS with some tricky CSS animation (may be in the future version)?
- coldtea 4y ago
  >I don't really understand what's the difference between AAA game and Google Chrome? Hundreds of GPU features the latter doesn't use in normal hw-accelerated rendering of webpages... except maybe in doing WebGL content (and even less much fewer and older features than what AAA games want)
  - fomine3 4y ago
    Also don't need so much performance so it can be easier
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Right, because WebGL 2.0 is basically 2010 GPU hardware, while the upcoming WebGPU is targeting 2014 hardware.
- shmerl 4y ago
  Games can trigger a lot more GPUs paths due to their creative usage of shaders.
- conradev 4y ago
  > Is it some subset of GPU commands that's required for desktop, compared to AAA game? Yes. Compute shaders and geometry shaders are big features. Vulkan, DX12 and Metal also brought a jump in performance at the API level by allowing developers to batch commands sent to the GPU. Desktop environments can and do leverage those newer APIs to get marginally better battery life. Asahi will miss out on those benefits, but the performance will be insanely better than “no GPU at all”.
  - pjmlp 4y ago
    Yes, but WebGPU is basically the version 1.0 of the common subset of those APIs, meaning 2014 hardware.

by bri3d 4y ago

vbezhenar 4y ago

I don't really understand what's the difference between AAA game and Google Chrome? I thought that modern applications heavily use GPU acceleration. Is it some subset of GPU commands that's required for desktop, compared to AAA game? Is it possible that Google Chrome will crash the OS with some tricky CSS animation (may be in the future version)?

coldtea 4y ago
>I don't really understand what's the difference between AAA game and Google Chrome? Hundreds of GPU features the latter doesn't use in normal hw-accelerated rendering of webpages... except maybe in doing WebGL content (and even less much fewer and older features than what AAA games want)
- fomine3 4y ago
  Also don't need so much performance so it can be easier
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Right, because WebGL 2.0 is basically 2010 GPU hardware, while the upcoming WebGPU is targeting 2014 hardware.
shmerl 4y ago
Games can trigger a lot more GPUs paths due to their creative usage of shaders.
conradev 4y ago
> Is it some subset of GPU commands that's required for desktop, compared to AAA game? Yes. Compute shaders and geometry shaders are big features. Vulkan, DX12 and Metal also brought a jump in performance at the API level by allowing developers to batch commands sent to the GPU. Desktop environments can and do leverage those newer APIs to get marginally better battery life. Asahi will miss out on those benefits, but the performance will be insanely better than “no GPU at all”.
- pjmlp 4y ago
  Yes, but WebGPU is basically the version 1.0 of the common subset of those APIs, meaning 2014 hardware.