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Heh, well, they're owned by MS now. I wonder how much they've been forced onto Azure … which last I tried, didn't completely support IPv6¹. And just yesterday-

Heh, well, they're owned by MS now. I wonder how much they've been forced onto Azure … which last I tried, didn't completely support IPv6¹. And just yesterday-ish I got an email from Azure that "Basic" SKU IPv4s (yes, MS has SKUs for IP addresses…) are going away. And the new SKUs are more expensive… granted, it's not a huge expense, but it's lovely to pay for artificial scarcity. ¹specifically, managed PG didn't. Worse yet, it refused to operate on a dual-stack vnet, meaning it forced me to IPv4-only the vnet.

yboris 4y ago
meta: kudos for the stellar footnote <sup>
Arainach 4y ago
What makes you think it's artificial? The IPv4 space globally is almost exhausted. Azure only owns so many, and their usage keeps going up every year.
- jtokoph 4y ago
  They may be commenting on the fact that there are multiple companies that are sitting on entire /8 ranges that could be unused, or potentially migrated to private ranges.
  - tialaramex 4y ago
    Azure would need to buy that space, which is over $40 per IPv4 address today. For a while it'll rise, and then suddenly it's worthless. $40 is approximately the same as "rent" on Azure for an IPv4 address for a year. Now, if Azure sells a block, that's revenue in the bank whereas if they let it out, the revenue depends on demand. And of course if they sell it they don't have it any more, if they let it out this year, and sell it next year for more money they keep both. If they guess wrong, they're left holding the bag, addresses which nobody wants to lease and yet which no longer have resale value.
  - wmf 4y ago
    These are mostly being sold off. Even the US military is thinking about selling.
- deathanatos 4y ago
  It's a completely artificial limit, imposed only by people's laziness … or perhaps greed … perpetuating IPv4 far longer than it deserves. > Azure only owns so many They can buy more. The breakeven w/ wholesale at their pricing is like a year. (And at RIRs, AIUI, the global space is exhausted, and there are wait lists. AIUI, you can still buy addresses from others, though.)
judge2020 4y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29327773 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29327773
rany_ 4y ago
I have a feeling it has more to do with rate-limiting/QOS than Azure. They've had a lot of chance to support IPv6 preacquision.

yboris 4y ago

meta: kudos for the stellar footnote <sup>

Arainach 4y ago

What makes you think it's artificial? The IPv4 space globally is almost exhausted. Azure only owns so many, and their usage keeps going up every year.

jtokoph 4y ago
They may be commenting on the fact that there are multiple companies that are sitting on entire /8 ranges that could be unused, or potentially migrated to private ranges.
- tialaramex 4y ago
  Azure would need to buy that space, which is over $40 per IPv4 address today. For a while it'll rise, and then suddenly it's worthless. $40 is approximately the same as "rent" on Azure for an IPv4 address for a year. Now, if Azure sells a block, that's revenue in the bank whereas if they let it out, the revenue depends on demand. And of course if they sell it they don't have it any more, if they let it out this year, and sell it next year for more money they keep both. If they guess wrong, they're left holding the bag, addresses which nobody wants to lease and yet which no longer have resale value.
- wmf 4y ago
  These are mostly being sold off. Even the US military is thinking about selling.
deathanatos 4y ago
It's a completely artificial limit, imposed only by people's laziness … or perhaps greed … perpetuating IPv4 far longer than it deserves. > Azure only owns so many They can buy more. The breakeven w/ wholesale at their pricing is like a year. (And at RIRs, AIUI, the global space is exhausted, and there are wait lists. AIUI, you can still buy addresses from others, though.)

judge2020 4y ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29327773 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29327773

rany_ 4y ago

I have a feeling it has more to do with rate-limiting/QOS than Azure. They've had a lot of chance to support IPv6 preacquision.