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Germans would have happily helped train Russian military if 2014 did not happen. Money's good.

by megous 4y ago

hef19898 4y ago
Where did you get that idea from? Without looking it up, I suspect Germany, as a NATO country, helped Ukraine as other NATO allies did. And supported the orange revolution, as the other EU nations did before 2014.
- mantas 4y ago
  Germany (along with France and others) supplied military-related stuff to Russia, even after 2014.
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Under contracts signed before 2014. Seems like a detail worth mentioning. EDIT: Which is bad reason, but at least an understandable when it comes to foreign policy. And it is not that arms exports are actually hindered by morals, all the exports to Saudi, UAE, Mexico and every other crisis region show otherwise. Personally, I think the West shouldn't export to those countries or conflict zones. The West also needs the industrial base to maintain reasonably strong militaries so, and with defense spending being a less than popular thing after the Cold War ended, exports are necessary for that. This could change so, and already did in Germany with additional military spending.
- megous 4y ago
  https://www.dw.com/en/rheinmetall-poised-to-honor-military-delivery-contract-with-russia/a-17507715 https://www.dw.com/en/rheinmetall-poised-to-honor-military-d...
  - hef19898 4y ago
    Some quick numbers: 2020/21 exports of weapons from EU cointries to Russia were aroind 100 million (or thereabouts, might even include icebreakers, good luck using those for conquering Mariupol). Since February 2022 EU countries committed to send 2.5 billion of military gear to the Ukrainian forces. I guess details and context still matter.
    - megous 4y ago
      Context is also that Russia trained their invasion forces in a modern German built facility.
      - hef19898 4y ago
        Unless said facility was build after 2014 I don't see the problem here. Not that the training was very successful as far as all that invasion business goes, was it?

Germans would have happily helped train Russian military if 2014 did not happen. Money's good.

by megous 4y ago

Germans would have happily helped train Russian military if 2014 did not happen. Money's good.

hef19898 4y ago

Where did you get that idea from? Without looking it up, I suspect Germany, as a NATO country, helped Ukraine as other NATO allies did. And supported the orange revolution, as the other EU nations did before 2014.

mantas 4y ago
Germany (along with France and others) supplied military-related stuff to Russia, even after 2014.
- hef19898 4y ago
  Under contracts signed before 2014. Seems like a detail worth mentioning. EDIT: Which is bad reason, but at least an understandable when it comes to foreign policy. And it is not that arms exports are actually hindered by morals, all the exports to Saudi, UAE, Mexico and every other crisis region show otherwise. Personally, I think the West shouldn't export to those countries or conflict zones. The West also needs the industrial base to maintain reasonably strong militaries so, and with defense spending being a less than popular thing after the Cold War ended, exports are necessary for that. This could change so, and already did in Germany with additional military spending.
megous 4y ago
https://www.dw.com/en/rheinmetall-poised-to-honor-military-delivery-contract-with-russia/a-17507715 https://www.dw.com/en/rheinmetall-poised-to-honor-military-d...
- hef19898 4y ago
  Some quick numbers: 2020/21 exports of weapons from EU cointries to Russia were aroind 100 million (or thereabouts, might even include icebreakers, good luck using those for conquering Mariupol). Since February 2022 EU countries committed to send 2.5 billion of military gear to the Ukrainian forces. I guess details and context still matter.
  - megous 4y ago
    Context is also that Russia trained their invasion forces in a modern German built facility.
    - hef19898 4y ago
      Unless said facility was build after 2014 I don't see the problem here. Not that the training was very successful as far as all that invasion business goes, was it?