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Ethics can’t be black and white. There has to be a reasonable middle ground and clearly human testing is way, way past what’s acceptable. You can call it a slip

Ethics can’t be black and white. There has to be a reasonable middle ground and clearly human testing is way, way past what’s acceptable. You can call it a slippery slope but everything is and it’s the reason we have laws to keep things sane.

salawat 4y ago
>the reason we have laws to keep things sane. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/us/california-bees-fish-court-ruling-scn-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/us/california-bees-fish-court... https://www.amazon.com/Emergency-Sasquatch-Ordinance-Actually-Dreamed/dp/1627222693 https://www.amazon.com/Emergency-Sasquatch-Ordinance-Actuall... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_Unit... https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewish-legislation-in-prewar-germany https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewis... Oh yes. It's the laws that will save us, and keep everything sane. /s Let's try this again shall we? Ethics and morality are a priori to any system of legalistic systemitization, not the other way around. You will not find a law that that "stealing is okay". You will find law that goes of it's way to decree that X is not (something morally/ethically unconscionable, but really something else). >You can call it a slippery slope It isn't. It's an incontrovertible case of anthropocentric thinking with a dash of self-referential inconsistency, followed by an appeal to pragmatism, stemming from a desire for nearer-term gratification at the expense of normalization of deviance/Overton window shifting. Slippery slope/heap fallacy my ass. You aren't getting out of this with "I'm just going to disengage with a platitude." You do you, but don't delude yourself into thinking there is some inherent virtue in lowering the bar and managing to traverse the hurdle when someone else is paying the price for you not being capable of being bothered to deal with things the right way.
- bergenty 4y ago
  >nearer term gratification You can perseverate all you want, but someone else is going to get there before us then and we won’t be in a hegemonic position to enforce our ethical framework (fwiw I think is good) over the rest of the world. A bad actor will be in that position and you cause more pain through inaction.

salawat 4y ago

>the reason we have laws to keep things sane. https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/us/california-bees-fish-court-ruling-scn-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/06/us/california-bees-fish-court... https://www.amazon.com/Emergency-Sasquatch-Ordinance-Actually-Dreamed/dp/1627222693 https://www.amazon.com/Emergency-Sasquatch-Ordinance-Actuall... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_forfeiture_in_the_Unit... https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewish-legislation-in-prewar-germany https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/anti-jewis... Oh yes. It's the laws that will save us, and keep everything sane. /s Let's try this again shall we? Ethics and morality are a priori to any system of legalistic systemitization, not the other way around. You will not find a law that that "stealing is okay". You will find law that goes of it's way to decree that X is not (something morally/ethically unconscionable, but really something else). >You can call it a slippery slope It isn't. It's an incontrovertible case of anthropocentric thinking with a dash of self-referential inconsistency, followed by an appeal to pragmatism, stemming from a desire for nearer-term gratification at the expense of normalization of deviance/Overton window shifting. Slippery slope/heap fallacy my ass. You aren't getting out of this with "I'm just going to disengage with a platitude." You do you, but don't delude yourself into thinking there is some inherent virtue in lowering the bar and managing to traverse the hurdle when someone else is paying the price for you not being capable of being bothered to deal with things the right way.

bergenty 4y ago
>nearer term gratification You can perseverate all you want, but someone else is going to get there before us then and we won’t be in a hegemonic position to enforce our ethical framework (fwiw I think is good) over the rest of the world. A bad actor will be in that position and you cause more pain through inaction.